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B707 cockpit observer alerts PF to not issued traffic for phx runway 7R when descending for a visual approach to runway 8R while under P50 control.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 538191 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200202 |
| Day | Mon |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl single value : 4700 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon tower : day.tower |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | B707 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 40 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 500 |
| ASRS Report | 538191 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : became reoriented flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 3000 vertical : 450 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On assigned heading of 260 degrees (by approach control), we descended to 6000 ft MSL. Approach cleared us to descend further to 5000 ft MSL and assigned a heading of 330 degrees. This was vectors to runway 8 at phx. Approach called 'traffic at 1 O'clock position on a wide downwind for runway 8.' we acknowledged the traffic was in sight and were instructed to 'follow that traffic to runway 8, cleared for the visual, runway 8.' the PF had just begun a shallow descent when a cockpit observer called out additional traffic at about 10-11 O'clock. That traffic was a second MD80 crossing in front and below us, apparently for runway 7R (a parallel runway, south of our assigned runway). The PF immediately leveled off and simultaneously approach asked if we had 'the traffic at 11 O'clock position in sight.' I confirmed he was 'passing in front and below us.' a few moments later, we were handed off to the tower and followed the initial traffic for a VFR landing on runway 8. The vertical separation on the second airplane was minimal. We all remarked about the late call from approach and the separation afforded. Extra eyes in the cockpit are a real asset in a terminal area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B707 COCKPIT OBSERVER ALERTS PF TO NOT ISSUED TFC FOR PHX RWY 7R WHEN DSNDING FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 8R WHILE UNDER P50 CTL.
Narrative: ON ASSIGNED HDG OF 260 DEGS (BY APCH CTL), WE DSNDED TO 6000 FT MSL. APCH CLRED US TO DSND FURTHER TO 5000 FT MSL AND ASSIGNED A HDG OF 330 DEGS. THIS WAS VECTORS TO RWY 8 AT PHX. APCH CALLED 'TFC AT 1 O'CLOCK POS ON A WIDE DOWNWIND FOR RWY 8.' WE ACKNOWLEDGED THE TFC WAS IN SIGHT AND WERE INSTRUCTED TO 'FOLLOW THAT TFC TO RWY 8, CLRED FOR THE VISUAL, RWY 8.' THE PF HAD JUST BEGUN A SHALLOW DSCNT WHEN A COCKPIT OBSERVER CALLED OUT ADDITIONAL TFC AT ABOUT 10-11 O'CLOCK. THAT TFC WAS A SECOND MD80 XING IN FRONT AND BELOW US, APPARENTLY FOR RWY 7R (A PARALLEL RWY, S OF OUR ASSIGNED RWY). THE PF IMMEDIATELY LEVELED OFF AND SIMULTANEOUSLY APCH ASKED IF WE HAD 'THE TFC AT 11 O'CLOCK POS IN SIGHT.' I CONFIRMED HE WAS 'PASSING IN FRONT AND BELOW US.' A FEW MOMENTS LATER, WE WERE HANDED OFF TO THE TWR AND FOLLOWED THE INITIAL TFC FOR A VFR LNDG ON RWY 8. THE VERT SEPARATION ON THE SECOND AIRPLANE WAS MINIMAL. WE ALL REMARKED ABOUT THE LATE CALL FROM APCH AND THE SEPARATION AFFORDED. EXTRA EYES IN THE COCKPIT ARE A REAL ASSET IN A TERMINAL AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.