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Attributes | |
ACN | 539288 |
Time | |
Date | 200202 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cgf.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 4700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation III, VI, VII |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 18000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 539288 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 538899 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
While departing cuyahoga county airport (cleveland), an altitude deviation occurred. Our initial clearance was, 'direct aco VOR, climb to 3000 ft.' upon initial contact with ZOB, an amendment was received (at this time there was 'xtalk' on the radio and in the flight deck) and understood as to 'climb to FL180.' the right seat captain replied to cleveland, 'roger, aircraft X, climb to 180 degrees.' he then placed FL180 in the altitude alerter and I responded 'climbing FL180.' passing 4500 ft cleveland inquired (strangely actually) 'aircraft X, where are you going?' our response, 'direct aco.' 'no, no,' he said, 'say your altitude.' we responded again, 'climbing to FL180.' he asked, 'who gave you that?' we responded, 'you did.' with this confusion, we stopped the climb at 4700 ft and maintained this for a moment until this lack of communication was sorted out. (Apparently the amendment was not to 'climb FL180,' but was to 'heading 180 degrees'). A frequency change was given. A new amended climb and heading was received, replied to and complied with. Supplemental information from acn 538899: we stopped climbing and turned to 180 degrees and started to descend to 3000 ft. ATC told us to level at 4000 ft then changed it to 6000 ft. We proceeded without incident thereof. I felt there was a dual miscom between both ATC and the pilots. Plus nonstandard phraseology of both sides.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C650 CREW, DEPARTING CGF, MISINTERPED A CLRNC, STARTING A CLB TO FL180 INSTEAD OF TURNING TO A HDG OF 180 DEGS.
Narrative: WHILE DEPARTING CUYAHOGA COUNTY ARPT (CLEVELAND), AN ALTDEV OCCURRED. OUR INITIAL CLRNC WAS, 'DIRECT ACO VOR, CLB TO 3000 FT.' UPON INITIAL CONTACT WITH ZOB, AN AMENDMENT WAS RECEIVED (AT THIS TIME THERE WAS 'XTALK' ON THE RADIO AND IN THE FLT DECK) AND UNDERSTOOD AS TO 'CLB TO FL180.' THE R SEAT CAPT REPLIED TO CLEVELAND, 'ROGER, ACFT X, CLB TO 180 DEGS.' HE THEN PLACED FL180 IN THE ALT ALERTER AND I RESPONDED 'CLBING FL180.' PASSING 4500 FT CLEVELAND INQUIRED (STRANGELY ACTUALLY) 'ACFT X, WHERE ARE YOU GOING?' OUR RESPONSE, 'DIRECT ACO.' 'NO, NO,' HE SAID, 'SAY YOUR ALT.' WE RESPONDED AGAIN, 'CLBING TO FL180.' HE ASKED, 'WHO GAVE YOU THAT?' WE RESPONDED, 'YOU DID.' WITH THIS CONFUSION, WE STOPPED THE CLB AT 4700 FT AND MAINTAINED THIS FOR A MOMENT UNTIL THIS LACK OF COM WAS SORTED OUT. (APPARENTLY THE AMENDMENT WAS NOT TO 'CLB FL180,' BUT WAS TO 'HDG 180 DEGS'). A FREQ CHANGE WAS GIVEN. A NEW AMENDED CLB AND HDG WAS RECEIVED, REPLIED TO AND COMPLIED WITH. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 538899: WE STOPPED CLBING AND TURNED TO 180 DEGS AND STARTED TO DSND TO 3000 FT. ATC TOLD US TO LEVEL AT 4000 FT THEN CHANGED IT TO 6000 FT. WE PROCEEDED WITHOUT INCIDENT THEREOF. I FELT THERE WAS A DUAL MISCOM BTWN BOTH ATC AND THE PLTS. PLUS NONSTANDARD PHRASEOLOGY OF BOTH SIDES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.