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Attributes | |
ACN | 540930 |
Time | |
Date | 200203 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10900 msl bound upper : 12200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ase.tower tower : cle.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other other vortac |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 200 |
ASRS Report | 540930 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude conflict : ground less severe inflight encounter other non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Chart Or Publication |
Narrative:
We were on the VOR GPS C approach to runway 15, aspen, co. Even though the airport was VFR, there was a cloud layer that would interfere with a successful visual approach. We shot the approach at 134 KTS, broke out at approximately 10000 ft, circled overhead the airport and landed on runway 15. We got to the FBO and had 2 concerns. After talking with a company program manager the captain was told we are not to perform the approach if we cannot go visual at 12200 ft over the FAF, also that the approach was a straight-in approach due to the fact that the runway course and the approach course are within 18 degrees of each other. We simply looked at the plate incorrectly. The captain and I discussed our concerns thoroughly and we agreed that if the approach plate had 'north/a' in the straight-in minimums box we probably would have seen that it was a circling approach only. We also agreed that if we weren't so concerned with looking for all of the little 'traps' and an airport such as aspen we wouldn't have missed the obvious. We also discussed the issue of our company policy and even though the night before everything was researched pertaining to aspen, including a call to the company program manager, we missed the procedural limitation of going VFR at the FAF at 12200 ft. We feel that if this company limitation were with the approach plates we would have discovered it along with the company program manager. We performed the approach successfully after researching and discussing it thoroughly, however, we did feel it was best to tell your agency of our concerns.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CE750 FLC MISREADS THEIR APCH CHART FOR A STRAIGHT-IN APCH TO RWY 15 AND END UP MAKING A CIRCLING VISUAL APCH TO THE SAME RWY AT ASE, CO.
Narrative: WE WERE ON THE VOR GPS C APCH TO RWY 15, ASPEN, CO. EVEN THOUGH THE ARPT WAS VFR, THERE WAS A CLOUD LAYER THAT WOULD INTERFERE WITH A SUCCESSFUL VISUAL APCH. WE SHOT THE APCH AT 134 KTS, BROKE OUT AT APPROX 10000 FT, CIRCLED OVERHEAD THE ARPT AND LANDED ON RWY 15. WE GOT TO THE FBO AND HAD 2 CONCERNS. AFTER TALKING WITH A COMPANY PROGRAM MGR THE CAPT WAS TOLD WE ARE NOT TO PERFORM THE APCH IF WE CANNOT GO VISUAL AT 12200 FT OVER THE FAF, ALSO THAT THE APCH WAS A STRAIGHT-IN APCH DUE TO THE FACT THAT THE RWY COURSE AND THE APCH COURSE ARE WITHIN 18 DEGS OF EACH OTHER. WE SIMPLY LOOKED AT THE PLATE INCORRECTLY. THE CAPT AND I DISCUSSED OUR CONCERNS THOROUGHLY AND WE AGREED THAT IF THE APCH PLATE HAD 'N/A' IN THE STRAIGHT-IN MINIMUMS BOX WE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE SEEN THAT IT WAS A CIRCLING APCH ONLY. WE ALSO AGREED THAT IF WE WEREN'T SO CONCERNED WITH LOOKING FOR ALL OF THE LITTLE 'TRAPS' AND AN ARPT SUCH AS ASPEN WE WOULDN'T HAVE MISSED THE OBVIOUS. WE ALSO DISCUSSED THE ISSUE OF OUR COMPANY POLICY AND EVEN THOUGH THE NIGHT BEFORE EVERYTHING WAS RESEARCHED PERTAINING TO ASPEN, INCLUDING A CALL TO THE COMPANY PROGRAM MGR, WE MISSED THE PROCEDURAL LIMITATION OF GOING VFR AT THE FAF AT 12200 FT. WE FEEL THAT IF THIS COMPANY LIMITATION WERE WITH THE APCH PLATES WE WOULD HAVE DISCOVERED IT ALONG WITH THE COMPANY PROGRAM MGR. WE PERFORMED THE APCH SUCCESSFULLY AFTER RESEARCHING AND DISCUSSING IT THOROUGHLY, HOWEVER, WE DID FEEL IT WAS BEST TO TELL YOUR AGENCY OF OUR CONCERNS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.