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Attributes | |
ACN | 543706 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : atl.vortac |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : ztl.artcc tracon : atl.tracon tower : cvo.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-88 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : rmg2 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 110 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 543706 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 215 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 543714 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight XXXX from msp to atl. The flight was at FL240 when we were cleared by ZTL to cross erlin intersection at 13000 ft MSL, 250 KIAS. We were then switched to atl approach control. Upon contact with approach we were instructed to 'cross erlin at 13000 ft, descend to 9000 ft.' both the captain and first officer thought the clearance was to cross erlin at or below 13000 ft, then continue to 9000 ft. This was probably because that has always been the clearance in the past going into atlanta. This was the first time either of us had been given a hard altitude to cross at an intersection with a subsequent descent into atlanta. As we approached 1-2 mi from erlin, descending through 12000 ft to 11500 ft, approach restated that the clearance was to cross erlin 'at' 13000 ft. He asked us to verify our position, but did not wait for a reply. He made a comment like, 'you guys need to start listening up' and then went on to give other routine instructions to other aircraft. This gave us the impression that we were not the only ones to do this. No conflict was created. We continued down to 9000 ft and continued on our approach to atlanta. Although we use routine and habit patterns to keep us safe (ie, checklists). This time they got in the way of listening for the proper clearance. We should have verified the clearance with approach control. On the other side, especially if other aircraft were doing the same thing, approach control could have emphasized the need to cross erlin at 13000 ft, 'then' descend to 9000 ft. As many times as we got into atlanta, it is easy to get used to the routine, and then not notice when a small change is made to that routine. Over emphasizing the change would help. Supplemental information from acn 543714: cleared to cross erlin intersection at 13000 ft, 250 KTS, switched to ATP approach. Instructions from approach control were cross erlin at 13000 ft, descend to 9000 ft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN MD80 CREW, DSNDING INTO ATL, OVERSHOT A STAR ASSIGNED XING RESTR.
Narrative: FLT XXXX FROM MSP TO ATL. THE FLT WAS AT FL240 WHEN WE WERE CLRED BY ZTL TO CROSS ERLIN INTXN AT 13000 FT MSL, 250 KIAS. WE WERE THEN SWITCHED TO ATL APCH CTL. UPON CONTACT WITH APCH WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO 'CROSS ERLIN AT 13000 FT, DSND TO 9000 FT.' BOTH THE CAPT AND FO THOUGHT THE CLRNC WAS TO CROSS ERLIN AT OR BELOW 13000 FT, THEN CONTINUE TO 9000 FT. THIS WAS PROBABLY BECAUSE THAT HAS ALWAYS BEEN THE CLRNC IN THE PAST GOING INTO ATLANTA. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME EITHER OF US HAD BEEN GIVEN A HARD ALT TO CROSS AT AN INTXN WITH A SUBSEQUENT DSCNT INTO ATLANTA. AS WE APCHED 1-2 MI FROM ERLIN, DSNDING THROUGH 12000 FT TO 11500 FT, APCH RESTATED THAT THE CLRNC WAS TO CROSS ERLIN 'AT' 13000 FT. HE ASKED US TO VERIFY OUR POS, BUT DID NOT WAIT FOR A REPLY. HE MADE A COMMENT LIKE, 'YOU GUYS NEED TO START LISTENING UP' AND THEN WENT ON TO GIVE OTHER ROUTINE INSTRUCTIONS TO OTHER ACFT. THIS GAVE US THE IMPRESSION THAT WE WERE NOT THE ONLY ONES TO DO THIS. NO CONFLICT WAS CREATED. WE CONTINUED DOWN TO 9000 FT AND CONTINUED ON OUR APCH TO ATLANTA. ALTHOUGH WE USE ROUTINE AND HABIT PATTERNS TO KEEP US SAFE (IE, CHKLISTS). THIS TIME THEY GOT IN THE WAY OF LISTENING FOR THE PROPER CLRNC. WE SHOULD HAVE VERIFIED THE CLRNC WITH APCH CTL. ON THE OTHER SIDE, ESPECIALLY IF OTHER ACFT WERE DOING THE SAME THING, APCH CTL COULD HAVE EMPHASIZED THE NEED TO CROSS ERLIN AT 13000 FT, 'THEN' DSND TO 9000 FT. AS MANY TIMES AS WE GOT INTO ATLANTA, IT IS EASY TO GET USED TO THE ROUTINE, AND THEN NOT NOTICE WHEN A SMALL CHANGE IS MADE TO THAT ROUTINE. OVER EMPHASIZING THE CHANGE WOULD HELP. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 543714: CLRED TO CROSS ERLIN INTXN AT 13000 FT, 250 KTS, SWITCHED TO ATP APCH. INSTRUCTIONS FROM APCH CTL WERE CROSS ERLIN AT 13000 FT, DSND TO 9000 FT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.