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Attributes | |
ACN | 544800 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lgu.airport |
State Reference | UT |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Experimental |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Cessna Citation Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 30 flight time total : 1030 flight time type : 70 |
ASRS Report | 544800 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway inflight encounter : wake turbulence non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : executed go around |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Last saturday, around XA30, I was flying up to lgu and saw a runway incursion from a jet identing themselves as aircraft X, citation jet. I had just finished my call 'on final for runway 35 logan full stop,' when they replied 'aircraft X citation jet taking runway for takeoff.' I repeated my call that I was on short final and to hold position. They replied with the same, 'aircraft X citation jet taking runway for takeoff' -- then immediately rolled onto the runway and took off. I was less than 1/4 mi off the end of the runway clearly in sight. I would have landed in less than 10 seconds if they would have waited. I did a go around to ensure no turbulence from jetwash or vortices on the runway. Once on the ground, I talked with a couple of local pilots who said that aircraft X jets do that all the time. One guy said, 'they think they are more important than the rest of us.' these local pilots were student pilots flying out of logan. So it seems this wasn't just a one time mistake. They seem to have violated the following far's. 1) right-of-way. I was on short final. 2) runway incursion. I'm concerned that these guys will cause an accident with this disregard for the right-of-way and taxiing onto an active runway. If a student pilot in a C152 were to land that close behind a citation jet the vortices and jetwash would cause them to lose control. At any rate, runway incursions are a problem right now and hope these guys will learn when to taxi onto an active runway and when to hold short. Also the student pilots are seeing experienced pilots do this all the time so maybe they can do this once in a while as well.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: RWY INCURSION BY A CPR JET WITH AN RV-4 EXPERIMENTAL ACFT ON SHORT FINAL AT A NON TWRED ARPT, LGU, UT.
Narrative: LAST SATURDAY, AROUND XA30, I WAS FLYING UP TO LGU AND SAW A RWY INCURSION FROM A JET IDENTING THEMSELVES AS ACFT X, CITATION JET. I HAD JUST FINISHED MY CALL 'ON FINAL FOR RWY 35 LOGAN FULL STOP,' WHEN THEY REPLIED 'ACFT X CITATION JET TAKING RWY FOR TKOF.' I REPEATED MY CALL THAT I WAS ON SHORT FINAL AND TO HOLD POS. THEY REPLIED WITH THE SAME, 'ACFT X CITATION JET TAKING RWY FOR TKOF' -- THEN IMMEDIATELY ROLLED ONTO THE RWY AND TOOK OFF. I WAS LESS THAN 1/4 MI OFF THE END OF THE RWY CLRLY IN SIGHT. I WOULD HAVE LANDED IN LESS THAN 10 SECONDS IF THEY WOULD HAVE WAITED. I DID A GAR TO ENSURE NO TURB FROM JETWASH OR VORTICES ON THE RWY. ONCE ON THE GND, I TALKED WITH A COUPLE OF LCL PLTS WHO SAID THAT ACFT X JETS DO THAT ALL THE TIME. ONE GUY SAID, 'THEY THINK THEY ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE REST OF US.' THESE LCL PLTS WERE STUDENT PLTS FLYING OUT OF LOGAN. SO IT SEEMS THIS WASN'T JUST A ONE TIME MISTAKE. THEY SEEM TO HAVE VIOLATED THE FOLLOWING FAR'S. 1) RIGHT-OF-WAY. I WAS ON SHORT FINAL. 2) RWY INCURSION. I'M CONCERNED THAT THESE GUYS WILL CAUSE AN ACCIDENT WITH THIS DISREGARD FOR THE RIGHT-OF-WAY AND TAXIING ONTO AN ACTIVE RWY. IF A STUDENT PLT IN A C152 WERE TO LAND THAT CLOSE BEHIND A CITATION JET THE VORTICES AND JETWASH WOULD CAUSE THEM TO LOSE CTL. AT ANY RATE, RWY INCURSIONS ARE A PROB RIGHT NOW AND HOPE THESE GUYS WILL LEARN WHEN TO TAXI ONTO AN ACTIVE RWY AND WHEN TO HOLD SHORT. ALSO THE STUDENT PLTS ARE SEEING EXPERIENCED PLTS DO THIS ALL THE TIME SO MAYBE THEY CAN DO THIS ONCE IN A WHILE AS WELL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.