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Roc controller concerned with missed pointout by syr TRACON of IFR en route aircraft. Controller concerned with airspace delegation between syr, roc, ZBW and ZOB.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 545282 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200204 |
| Day | Fri |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : roc.vortac |
| State Reference | NY |
| Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : syr.tracon tracon : roc.tracon |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Experience | controller radar : 15 controller time certified in position1 : 13 |
| ASRS Report | 545282 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : syr.tracon |
| Airspace Structure | class e : roc.e |
Narrative:
I observed aircraft X code in my airspace at 10000 ft. I asked syr approach if they were working this aircraft. They replied not any longer, but 'do you want for me to point out this aircraft?' I replied 'I'm already watching this aircraft.' ongoing problem (at least 15 yrs) in this airspace. Complicated by the fact 1) 3 ARTCC (ZOB, ZNY, ZBW), 2) 3 approach controls (roc at or below 10000 ft, syr at or below 10000 ft, and elm at or below 8000 ft) all share this boundary of airspace. Nothing ever gets resolved. Who owns what portion and who gets the handoff or pointout?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ROC CTLR CONCERNED WITH MISSED POINTOUT BY SYR TRACON OF IFR ENRTE ACFT. CTLR CONCERNED WITH AIRSPACE DELEGATION BTWN SYR, ROC, ZBW AND ZOB.
Narrative: I OBSERVED ACFT X CODE IN MY AIRSPACE AT 10000 FT. I ASKED SYR APCH IF THEY WERE WORKING THIS ACFT. THEY REPLIED NOT ANY LONGER, BUT 'DO YOU WANT FOR ME TO POINT OUT THIS ACFT?' I REPLIED 'I'M ALREADY WATCHING THIS ACFT.' ONGOING PROB (AT LEAST 15 YRS) IN THIS AIRSPACE. COMPLICATED BY THE FACT 1) 3 ARTCC (ZOB, ZNY, ZBW), 2) 3 APCH CTLS (ROC AT OR BELOW 10000 FT, SYR AT OR BELOW 10000 FT, AND ELM AT OR BELOW 8000 FT) ALL SHARE THIS BOUNDARY OF AIRSPACE. NOTHING EVER GETS RESOLVED. WHO OWNS WHAT PORTION AND WHO GETS THE HDOF OR POINTOUT?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.