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Attributes | |
ACN | 545951 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : private pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 8500 flight time type : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 545951 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 1200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
On approach to an 'expected' visual to runway 25L at phx, the controller gave us a descent from 7000 ft to 4000 ft and a vector to 350 degrees. He asked if we had traffic on approach to runway 25L. We replied negative. He then asked if we had airbus traffic at our 1 O'clock position on approach to runway 26. We replied affirmative. He paused, then said to keep separation from that traffic. At this point, we both wondered how we were going to maintain separation when we had no clearance to deviate from our assigned heading. Meanwhile, we were closing quickly on the localizer runway 25L on a 90 degree intercept. As we observed our aircraft go through the localizer, the captain (PF) began a hard left turn to avoid traffic and maintained altitude. While we were turning, the controller cleared us for a visual approach to runway 25L. At this point the first officer (PNF) confirmed we were clear of the traffic and accepted the clearance for a visual to runway 25L. This was followed by a normal landing to runway 25L. After landing we called both phx tower supervisor and the TRACON supervisor who both acknowledged problems with how our aircraft was handled.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B757 CREW RECEIVE CONFUSING INSTRUCTIONS FROM PHX APCH CTLR WHILE DSNDING FOR A LNDG.
Narrative: ON APCH TO AN 'EXPECTED' VISUAL TO RWY 25L AT PHX, THE CTLR GAVE US A DSCNT FROM 7000 FT TO 4000 FT AND A VECTOR TO 350 DEGS. HE ASKED IF WE HAD TFC ON APCH TO RWY 25L. WE REPLIED NEGATIVE. HE THEN ASKED IF WE HAD AIRBUS TFC AT OUR 1 O'CLOCK POS ON APCH TO RWY 26. WE REPLIED AFFIRMATIVE. HE PAUSED, THEN SAID TO KEEP SEPARATION FROM THAT TFC. AT THIS POINT, WE BOTH WONDERED HOW WE WERE GOING TO MAINTAIN SEPARATION WHEN WE HAD NO CLRNC TO DEVIATE FROM OUR ASSIGNED HDG. MEANWHILE, WE WERE CLOSING QUICKLY ON THE LOC RWY 25L ON A 90 DEG INTERCEPT. AS WE OBSERVED OUR ACFT GO THROUGH THE LOC, THE CAPT (PF) BEGAN A HARD L TURN TO AVOID TFC AND MAINTAINED ALT. WHILE WE WERE TURNING, THE CTLR CLRED US FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 25L. AT THIS POINT THE FO (PNF) CONFIRMED WE WERE CLR OF THE TFC AND ACCEPTED THE CLRNC FOR A VISUAL TO RWY 25L. THIS WAS FOLLOWED BY A NORMAL LNDG TO RWY 25L. AFTER LNDG WE CALLED BOTH PHX TWR SUPVR AND THE TRACON SUPVR WHO BOTH ACKNOWLEDGED PROBS WITH HOW OUR ACFT WAS HANDLED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.