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Attributes | |
ACN | 546379 |
Time | |
Date | 200204 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0001 To 0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rctp.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rctp.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B747-400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : rctp.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : private pilot : atp pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 4800 |
ASRS Report | 546379 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We taxied for takeoff from tpe runway 5. Taxi clearance from our parking location was to use taxiway nc to runway 5. At a position of about 1500 ft from the southwest end of taxiway nc, we advised tpe tower of our readiness for takeoff. Tower then cleared us 'into position and hold, runway 5, jumbo aircraft on runway 10 [pause] 15 mi final.' suspicious of traffic conflict between us and the landing traffic, we turned on our transponder (to get TCASII information on the incoming aircraft) and repeated back the clearance and additionally responded that for clarification that 'we will be ready at the end.' the tower controller then responded, asking us if we were ready for takeoff. We answered back that we would be when we got there. He then responded with a 'hold short' instruction. We complied. The incoming traffic landed and our takeoff was uneventful. The concern at issue is the tpe tower controllers still do not seem fully aware of the location of aircraft within their control -- on final approach and on the ground. It is my crew's unanimous and absolute judgement that our aircraft should not have been given clearance onto runway 5 from the position we were at on taxiway nc with the known traffic on final approach. It was not necessary at that time. Tower clearance onto the runway should have been given when we were in closer proximity to the hold short line of runway 5.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B747-400 CREW, TAXIING FOR TKOF AT RCTP, WERE CLRED INTO POS WHILE STILL 1500 FT FROM THE RWY END, WITH AN ACFT ON A 10 MI FINAL.
Narrative: WE TAXIED FOR TKOF FROM TPE RWY 5. TAXI CLRNC FROM OUR PARKING LOCATION WAS TO USE TXWY NC TO RWY 5. AT A POS OF ABOUT 1500 FT FROM THE SW END OF TXWY NC, WE ADVISED TPE TWR OF OUR READINESS FOR TKOF. TWR THEN CLRED US 'INTO POS AND HOLD, RWY 5, JUMBO ACFT ON RWY 10 [PAUSE] 15 MI FINAL.' SUSPICIOUS OF TFC CONFLICT BTWN US AND THE LNDG TFC, WE TURNED ON OUR XPONDER (TO GET TCASII INFO ON THE INCOMING ACFT) AND REPEATED BACK THE CLRNC AND ADDITIONALLY RESPONDED THAT FOR CLARIFICATION THAT 'WE WILL BE READY AT THE END.' THE TWR CTLR THEN RESPONDED, ASKING US IF WE WERE READY FOR TKOF. WE ANSWERED BACK THAT WE WOULD BE WHEN WE GOT THERE. HE THEN RESPONDED WITH A 'HOLD SHORT' INSTRUCTION. WE COMPLIED. THE INCOMING TFC LANDED AND OUR TKOF WAS UNEVENTFUL. THE CONCERN AT ISSUE IS THE TPE TWR CTLRS STILL DO NOT SEEM FULLY AWARE OF THE LOCATION OF ACFT WITHIN THEIR CTL -- ON FINAL APCH AND ON THE GND. IT IS MY CREW'S UNANIMOUS AND ABSOLUTE JUDGEMENT THAT OUR ACFT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN GIVEN CLRNC ONTO RWY 5 FROM THE POS WE WERE AT ON TXWY NC WITH THE KNOWN TFC ON FINAL APCH. IT WAS NOT NECESSARY AT THAT TIME. TWR CLRNC ONTO THE RWY SHOULD HAVE BEEN GIVEN WHEN WE WERE IN CLOSER PROX TO THE HOLD SHORT LINE OF RWY 5.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.