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Attributes | |
ACN | 548167 |
Time | |
Date | 200205 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stp.airport |
State Reference | MN |
Altitude | msl single value : 2300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : m98.tracon tower : stp.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, Low Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : stp.tower |
Make Model Name | Cardinal 177/177RG |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 548167 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
I was flight training in the msp area, after making an approach to red wing airport, and talking to msp approach and on a discreet code. I requested the NDB approach to runway 31 stp. I was cleared for the approach. I requested a missed approach and an ILS approach to runway 32. But I was directed to contact stp tower, which I did, and requested a missed approach and an ILS to runway 32. Stp asked if I'd like to remain on their frequency. I accepted and was asked to report downwind and that there was a C177 on approach to runway 32. I continued the downwind to runway 32, until past the marker and directed the student to start the approach on his own. Outside the marker our tcad alerted and we descended 100 ft and a C177 missed us by 100 ft (we did not see this traffic and had looked for it, because of the notice from stp). We thought the traffic had already completed the approach and we were on different frequencys.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC OCCURS WHEN A TRAINING FLT INSTRUCTOR PLT ASSUMES HIS OWN ROLE AS APCH COORDINATOR AND TURNS IN FOR AN EARLY START ON AN ILS APCH TO RWY 32 AT STP, MN.
Narrative: I WAS FLT TRAINING IN THE MSP AREA, AFTER MAKING AN APCH TO RED WING ARPT, AND TALKING TO MSP APCH AND ON A DISCREET CODE. I REQUESTED THE NDB APCH TO RWY 31 STP. I WAS CLRED FOR THE APCH. I REQUESTED A MISSED APCH AND AN ILS APCH TO RWY 32. BUT I WAS DIRECTED TO CONTACT STP TWR, WHICH I DID, AND REQUESTED A MISSED APCH AND AN ILS TO RWY 32. STP ASKED IF I'D LIKE TO REMAIN ON THEIR FREQ. I ACCEPTED AND WAS ASKED TO RPT DOWNWIND AND THAT THERE WAS A C177 ON APCH TO RWY 32. I CONTINUED THE DOWNWIND TO RWY 32, UNTIL PAST THE MARKER AND DIRECTED THE STUDENT TO START THE APCH ON HIS OWN. OUTSIDE THE MARKER OUR TCAD ALERTED AND WE DSNDED 100 FT AND A C177 MISSED US BY 100 FT (WE DID NOT SEE THIS TFC AND HAD LOOKED FOR IT, BECAUSE OF THE NOTICE FROM STP). WE THOUGHT THE TFC HAD ALREADY COMPLETED THE APCH AND WE WERE ON DIFFERENT FREQS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.