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A cpr jet flight crew is challenged by abq FSS specialist for an alleged non compliance with their IFR flight plan and proceeding VFR for landing at gup when crew is unable to communication with controller at ZAB, NM.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 548853 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200205 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : gup.airport |
| State Reference | NM |
| Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tracon : clt.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 2000 |
| ASRS Report | 548853 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : unable none taken : anomaly accepted other |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other other Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Facility Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We had been cleared by center to 12000 ft. After 6 attempts to contact center for approach clearance (VFR) I began descent to land as it was VFR and no targets on TCASII. Upon landing, my first officer called FSS to report our down time and the fact we had lost communications with ZAB. FSS specialist was very, very upset to think we had departed an assigned altitude to land VFR no matter what the reason. He told us center was busy coordinating something or other and we should have kept trying to contact them. In fact, WX was perfect VFR. By the time we had given up trying to contact center, we were over the airport at 12000 ft. I honestly don't know what else we could have done in this situation but descend VFR and land.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CPR JET FLC IS CHALLENGED BY ABQ FSS SPECIALIST FOR AN ALLEGED NON COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR IFR FLT PLAN AND PROCEEDING VFR FOR LNDG AT GUP WHEN CREW IS UNABLE TO COM WITH CTLR AT ZAB, NM.
Narrative: WE HAD BEEN CLRED BY CTR TO 12000 FT. AFTER 6 ATTEMPTS TO CONTACT CTR FOR APCH CLRNC (VFR) I BEGAN DSCNT TO LAND AS IT WAS VFR AND NO TARGETS ON TCASII. UPON LNDG, MY FO CALLED FSS TO RPT OUR DOWN TIME AND THE FACT WE HAD LOST COMS WITH ZAB. FSS SPECIALIST WAS VERY, VERY UPSET TO THINK WE HAD DEPARTED AN ASSIGNED ALT TO LAND VFR NO MATTER WHAT THE REASON. HE TOLD US CTR WAS BUSY COORDINATING SOMETHING OR OTHER AND WE SHOULD HAVE KEPT TRYING TO CONTACT THEM. IN FACT, WX WAS PERFECT VFR. BY THE TIME WE HAD GIVEN UP TRYING TO CONTACT CTR, WE WERE OVER THE ARPT AT 12000 FT. I HONESTLY DON'T KNOW WHAT ELSE WE COULD HAVE DONE IN THIS SIT BUT DSND VFR AND LAND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.