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FK100 encounters WX on approach and requests vectors around WX. ATC reluctant due to other traffic in area.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 555330 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200207 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | navaid : byp.vortac |
| State Reference | TX |
| Environment | |
| Weather Elements | Thunderstorm |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Fokker 100 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | arrival star : byp4 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| ASRS Report | 555330 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
| ASRS Report | 555333 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : wx radar other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
| Primary Problem | Weather |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : d10.tracon |
| Airspace Structure | class b : dfw.b |
Narrative:
While en route to dfw via byp 4 arrival, approximately 30 NM ene from byp, a significant thunderstorm developed near byp. Requested WX deviation heading and arrival controller directed aircraft on heading toward TTT. This heading was refused due to existing WX. The controller responded that 'other aircraft were accepting this routing and we were to accept that vector.' again, the heading was refused due to WX. The radio traffic was very saturated and it appeared that arrival and departure traffic at dfw was in conflict. Communication was difficult with approach control. We were handed off to 3 separate controllers within 50 NM and had to explain WX deviation each time. After clearing WX to the west, we accepted heading direct draak runway 17L. 1 min later, controller cleared us to rivet. We reminded controller we were assigned direct draak. A corrected heading direct rivet was issued after controller changed her mind. We complied and completed ILS runway 17L approach and landing. This situation is common when dfw arrival is interrupted due to WX on STAR. It appears that approach does not coordinate with departure control to allow for deviating airspace due to WX at the corner posts. The situation was hectic due to communication with controllers and deviating for WX. The approach controllers were not cooperative at first with the captain's authority/authorized and request to deviation for the safety of the aircraft and passenger.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FK100 ENCOUNTERS WX ON APCH AND REQUESTS VECTORS AROUND WX. ATC RELUCTANT DUE TO OTHER TFC IN AREA.
Narrative: WHILE ENRTE TO DFW VIA BYP 4 ARR, APPROX 30 NM ENE FROM BYP, A SIGNIFICANT TSTM DEVELOPED NEAR BYP. REQUESTED WX DEV HDG AND ARR CTLR DIRECTED ACFT ON HDG TOWARD TTT. THIS HDG WAS REFUSED DUE TO EXISTING WX. THE CTLR RESPONDED THAT 'OTHER ACFT WERE ACCEPTING THIS ROUTING AND WE WERE TO ACCEPT THAT VECTOR.' AGAIN, THE HDG WAS REFUSED DUE TO WX. THE RADIO TFC WAS VERY SATURATED AND IT APPEARED THAT ARR AND DEP TFC AT DFW WAS IN CONFLICT. COM WAS DIFFICULT WITH APCH CTL. WE WERE HANDED OFF TO 3 SEPARATE CTLRS WITHIN 50 NM AND HAD TO EXPLAIN WX DEV EACH TIME. AFTER CLRING WX TO THE W, WE ACCEPTED HDG DIRECT DRAAK RWY 17L. 1 MIN LATER, CTLR CLRED US TO RIVET. WE REMINDED CTLR WE WERE ASSIGNED DIRECT DRAAK. A CORRECTED HDG DIRECT RIVET WAS ISSUED AFTER CTLR CHANGED HER MIND. WE COMPLIED AND COMPLETED ILS RWY 17L APCH AND LNDG. THIS SIT IS COMMON WHEN DFW ARR IS INTERRUPTED DUE TO WX ON STAR. IT APPEARS THAT APCH DOES NOT COORDINATE WITH DEP CTL TO ALLOW FOR DEVIATING AIRSPACE DUE TO WX AT THE CORNER POSTS. THE SIT WAS HECTIC DUE TO COM WITH CTLRS AND DEVIATING FOR WX. THE APCH CTLRS WERE NOT COOPERATIVE AT FIRST WITH THE CAPT'S AUTH AND REQUEST TO DEV FOR THE SAFETY OF THE ACFT AND PAX.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.