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Attributes | |
ACN | 559240 |
Time | |
Date | 200209 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pou.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | MU-2 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 75 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 559240 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | other personnel |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance FAA |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flight brief from gai to poa. Spoke to briefer, asked specifically about any sept/tue related restrs. He gave me the restrs for nyc as well as those north of fredrick, md. When airborne about 20 mi south of west point, I told ATC that I wished to circle the point at 2000 ft. I asked if there were any current flight restrs over west point. He said he would check and get back to me. He came back with 'the restr area is hot but there are no restrs over west point.' problem: there was a football game at west point requiring a 3000 ft/3 mi separation. Solution: FAA briefers and ATC should be made aware of these open-air gatherings.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MU2 PLT ENTERED TFR AIRSPACE AFTER BOTH THE FSS BRIEFER AND THE ZNY RADAR CTLR KNEW NOTHING OF THE RESTR.
Narrative: FLT BRIEF FROM GAI TO POA. SPOKE TO BRIEFER, ASKED SPECIFICALLY ABOUT ANY SEPT/TUE RELATED RESTRS. HE GAVE ME THE RESTRS FOR NYC AS WELL AS THOSE N OF FREDRICK, MD. WHEN AIRBORNE ABOUT 20 MI S OF WEST POINT, I TOLD ATC THAT I WISHED TO CIRCLE THE POINT AT 2000 FT. I ASKED IF THERE WERE ANY CURRENT FLT RESTRS OVER WEST POINT. HE SAID HE WOULD CHK AND GET BACK TO ME. HE CAME BACK WITH 'THE RESTR AREA IS HOT BUT THERE ARE NO RESTRS OVER WEST POINT.' PROB: THERE WAS A FOOTBALL GAME AT WEST POINT REQUIRING A 3000 FT/3 MI SEPARATION. SOLUTION: FAA BRIEFERS AND ATC SHOULD BE MADE AWARE OF THESE OPEN-AIR GATHERINGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.