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Attributes | |
ACN | 560648 |
Time | |
Date | 200209 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sjc.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : o90.tracon tower : sjc.tower tower : smx.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | BAe 125 Series 1000 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : loupe 9 |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 13500 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 560648 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory none taken : detected after the fact none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Environmental Factor Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure Weather Flight Crew Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
2 capts were assigned this flight, 2 day trip, 5 cities. We briefed the SID before engine start. Loupe 9 was 'in the box,' so PF was going to fly the commands while PNF backed up with raw data. Takeoff was non-eventful. SID requires runway heading to 1.8 DME of sjc then right turn heading 120 degrees within 4.0 NM of sjc VOR. We saw this as a tight turn and briefed a 200 KT speed to keep within the 4.0 NM limit. PF rolled into the turn at 1.8 DME (FMS wanted to 'lead' the turn at less than 1.8 NM) at 27 degree bank. He then increased to 30 degree bank but we could not stay within 4.0 NM of VOR. On heading 120 degrees we were 4.8 NM from VOR. Departure asked 'next time, please stay within the 4.0 DME.' next time we will try with flaps and 180 KTS to see if we can stay within the 4.0 NM limit. We will also roll directly to 30 degree bank. Contributing was wind out of the northwest which we did not consider in our briefing. Next time we will watch the wind direction. Other than these things, we are not sure what else we can do. This is a tight maneuver in our opinion. (I wonder how often aircraft drift out of the 4.0 NM limit.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: THE FLC OF A CPR H25C OVERSHOOTS THEIR TURN DURING THE LOUPE 9 SID DEP PROC FROM SJC, CA.
Narrative: 2 CAPTS WERE ASSIGNED THIS FLT, 2 DAY TRIP, 5 CITIES. WE BRIEFED THE SID BEFORE ENG START. LOUPE 9 WAS 'IN THE BOX,' SO PF WAS GOING TO FLY THE COMMANDS WHILE PNF BACKED UP WITH RAW DATA. TKOF WAS NON-EVENTFUL. SID REQUIRES RWY HEADING TO 1.8 DME OF SJC THEN R TURN HEADING 120 DEGS WITHIN 4.0 NM OF SJC VOR. WE SAW THIS AS A TIGHT TURN AND BRIEFED A 200 KT SPD TO KEEP WITHIN THE 4.0 NM LIMIT. PF ROLLED INTO THE TURN AT 1.8 DME (FMS WANTED TO 'LEAD' THE TURN AT LESS THAN 1.8 NM) AT 27 DEG BANK. HE THEN INCREASED TO 30 DEG BANK BUT WE COULD NOT STAY WITHIN 4.0 NM OF VOR. ON HEADING 120 DEGS WE WERE 4.8 NM FROM VOR. DEP ASKED 'NEXT TIME, PLEASE STAY WITHIN THE 4.0 DME.' NEXT TIME WE WILL TRY WITH FLAPS AND 180 KTS TO SEE IF WE CAN STAY WITHIN THE 4.0 NM LIMIT. WE WILL ALSO ROLL DIRECTLY TO 30 DEG BANK. CONTRIBUTING WAS WIND OUT OF THE NW WHICH WE DID NOT CONSIDER IN OUR BRIEFING. NEXT TIME WE WILL WATCH THE WIND DIRECTION. OTHER THAN THESE THINGS, WE ARE NOT SURE WHAT ELSE WE CAN DO. THIS IS A TIGHT MANEUVER IN OUR OPINION. (I WONDER HOW OFTEN ACFT DRIFT OUT OF THE 4.0 NM LIMIT.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.