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Attributes | |
ACN | 563197 |
Time | |
Date | 200210 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ewr.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl single value : 100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence Windshear Thunderstorm Rain Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ewr.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 4r other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 563197 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical inflight encounter : weather |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Weather |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Due to environmental concerns, windshield rain repellent has been removed. It has been replaced by a coating that is not effective. Airspeed spreads a sheet of water across the wind screen that wipers cannot disperse for adequate vision. Rain repellent and rain-X cause the water to break and allow the wiper blades to be effective. The aircraft in front of us went around and we nearly did for obscured vision. I have seen this problem repeatedly since the conversion. It is not caused by the wiper blades, but by the lack of a water break-free surface on the glass. I feel this change is a step back in safety. It will eventually result in an aircraft accident. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that he was flying a B737-500 model aircraft when the reported incident occurred, but that he has encountered the same problem in 300, 500, 700, and 900 series aircraft and in all rain conditions, light to heavy. Reporter also states that he does not know whether his company's aircraft have original factory specification windscreens or if they have been modified with a repellent coating. The reporter stated that there has been a directive from his company's maintenance departure advising that windscreens are not to be cleaned with carbonated water as this may degrade the effectiveness of the windscreen coating. Reporter stated that the problem of rain 'sheeting' across the windscreen instead of dispersing into drops has occurred since the use of liquid repellents was discontinued. Reporter feels that other pilots may be 'just tolerating' this problem and not reporting it. The reporter advised that he has not contacted his company maintenance departure regarding the situation, but has discussed it with other pilots who concur with his assessment of the problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MEDIUM LARGE TRANSPORT FLT CREW ATTRIBUTES OBSCURED VISION TO RAIN REPELLENT COATING ON COCKPIT WINDSCREEN.
Narrative: DUE TO ENVIRONMENTAL CONCERNS, WINDSHIELD RAIN REPELLENT HAS BEEN REMOVED. IT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY A COATING THAT IS NOT EFFECTIVE. AIRSPEED SPREADS A SHEET OF WATER ACROSS THE WIND SCREEN THAT WIPERS CANNOT DISPERSE FOR ADEQUATE VISION. RAIN REPELLENT AND RAIN-X CAUSE THE WATER TO BREAK AND ALLOW THE WIPER BLADES TO BE EFFECTIVE. THE ACFT IN FRONT OF US WENT AROUND AND WE NEARLY DID FOR OBSCURED VISION. I HAVE SEEN THIS PROBLEM REPEATEDLY SINCE THE CONVERSION. IT IS NOT CAUSED BY THE WIPER BLADES, BUT BY THE LACK OF A WATER BREAK-FREE SURFACE ON THE GLASS. I FEEL THIS CHANGE IS A STEP BACK IN SAFETY. IT WILL EVENTUALLY RESULT IN AN ACFT ACCIDENT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT HE WAS FLYING A B737-500 MODEL ACFT WHEN THE RPTED INCIDENT OCCURRED, BUT THAT HE HAS ENCOUNTERED THE SAME PROB IN 300, 500, 700, AND 900 SERIES ACFT AND IN ALL RAIN CONDITIONS, LIGHT TO HEAVY. RPTR ALSO STATES THAT HE DOES NOT KNOW WHETHER HIS COMPANY'S ACFT HAVE ORIGINAL FACTORY SPEC WINDSCREENS OR IF THEY HAVE BEEN MODIFIED WITH A REPELLENT COATING. THE RPTR STATED THAT THERE HAS BEEN A DIRECTIVE FROM HIS COMPANY'S MAINT DEP ADVISING THAT WINDSCREENS ARE NOT TO BE CLEANED WITH CARBONATED WATER AS THIS MAY DEGRADE THE EFFECTIVENESS OF THE WINDSCREEN COATING. RPTR STATED THAT THE PROBLEM OF RAIN 'SHEETING' ACROSS THE WINDSCREEN INSTEAD OF DISPERSING INTO DROPS HAS OCCURRED SINCE THE USE OF LIQUID REPELLENTS WAS DISCONTINUED. RPTR FEELS THAT OTHER PLTS MAY BE 'JUST TOLERATING' THIS PROB AND NOT RPTING IT. THE RPTR ADVISED THAT HE HAS NOT CONTACTED HIS COMPANY MAINT DEP REGARDING THE SIT, BUT HAS DISCUSSED IT WITH OTHER PLTS WHO CONCUR WITH HIS ASSESSMENT OF THE PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.