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Cpr bizjet and flight of 2 military T38's had less than comfortable separation in sps class D airspace.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 566180 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200211 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sps.airport |
| State Reference | TX |
| Altitude | msl single value : 2100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sps.tower artcc : zfw.artcc |
| Operator | general aviation : corporate |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
| Route In Use | departure : on vectors |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sps.tower |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Talon |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 70 flight time total : 2500 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 566188 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : corporate |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Miss Distance | vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Intra Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
We were cleared for takeoff runway 35 at sps with a left turn to 280 degrees and a climb to 2300 ft. After rotation, we continued to climb, retracted the gear and then started a turn. As we turned to the assigned heading, we retracted flaps. 2 T38 jets in left traffic for runway 33L came across our nose, from right to left. The captain stopped the climb just above 2000 ft MSL as we got a traffic alert from our TCASII. Exact separation is unclr, but it was obvious that the T38 appeared to be below the 2800 ft pattern for runway 33L traffic. As we departed the area, we advised tower of our conflict. Tower responded by indicating that they were not in contact with the 2 T38 trainers and that the T38's were UHF with a separate runway 33L controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPR BIZJET AND FLT OF 2 MIL T38'S HAD LESS THAN COMFORTABLE SEPARATION IN SPS CLASS D AIRSPACE.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF RWY 35 AT SPS WITH A L TURN TO 280 DEGS AND A CLB TO 2300 FT. AFTER ROTATION, WE CONTINUED TO CLB, RETRACTED THE GEAR AND THEN STARTED A TURN. AS WE TURNED TO THE ASSIGNED HDG, WE RETRACTED FLAPS. 2 T38 JETS IN L TFC FOR RWY 33L CAME ACROSS OUR NOSE, FROM R TO L. THE CAPT STOPPED THE CLB JUST ABOVE 2000 FT MSL AS WE GOT A TFC ALERT FROM OUR TCASII. EXACT SEPARATION IS UNCLR, BUT IT WAS OBVIOUS THAT THE T38 APPEARED TO BE BELOW THE 2800 FT PATTERN FOR RWY 33L TFC. AS WE DEPARTED THE AREA, WE ADVISED TWR OF OUR CONFLICT. TWR RESPONDED BY INDICATING THAT THEY WERE NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE 2 T38 TRAINERS AND THAT THE T38'S WERE UHF WITH A SEPARATE RWY 33L CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.