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Attributes | |
ACN | 572982 |
Time | |
Date | 200301 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : watsn |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | msl single value : 27000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zau.artcc tower : mia.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Super 80 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 572982 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 572745 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | aircraft : automation overrode flight crew controller : issued advisory flight crew : overcame equipment problem flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course flight crew : returned to original clearance flight crew : became reoriented |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Received instructions to hold at watsn intersection. Both crew members reviewed holding data and updated/confirmed in GPS. First officer (PF) asked some questions concerning holding 'on the box' since he had not used it before for a hold. Captain reported entering hold, and after both crew members verified aircraft was turning correct direction for hold, captain stood up to hand trays back. The new cockpit door proved more difficult to open and caused some confusion. After about 70 degrees of turn, first officer inquired to captain about shallow angle of bank box was commanding, giving only 12 degrees of roll. At same time, first officer reverted to heading select to manual perform the hold and increase bank angle. Shortly after, we had increased our bank angle, the controller inquired about our entry -- stating we had gone deeper than he had expected. We concurred and stated we were now in a steeper bank to correct back. Supplemental information from acn 572745: first officer, who was relatively new to the aircraft, was PF. I noticed we were in heading select and west of our intersection. At the same time, I asked the first officer why we were not in navigation. The controller questioned us and said we were 12 mi west of watsn. To add to the issue, we had been in performance mode prior to descent and rather than returning to slower speed we had selected, it went back to a faster cruise speed. We also feel that the GPS could have been altered to have a lesser bank. While we felt we were both paying sound attention to the flight progress, it shows how quickly these things can occur. While I thought it was a reasonable time to deal with the trays, I should have waited until we were more established in hold or had gone around the track a few times.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: TFC DELAY DUE TO WX AT ORD, A S80 FLT CREW ALLOWS THE ACFT TO OVERSHOOT THE TURN ONTO THE OUTBOUND LEG OF THE HOLDING PATTERN AT WATSN INTXN, IN.
Narrative: RECEIVED INSTRUCTIONS TO HOLD AT WATSN INTXN. BOTH CREW MEMBERS REVIEWED HOLDING DATA AND UPDATED/CONFIRMED IN GPS. FO (PF) ASKED SOME QUESTIONS CONCERNING HOLDING 'ON THE BOX' SINCE HE HAD NOT USED IT BEFORE FOR A HOLD. CAPT RPTED ENTERING HOLD, AND AFTER BOTH CREW MEMBERS VERIFIED ACFT WAS TURNING CORRECT DIRECTION FOR HOLD, CAPT STOOD UP TO HAND TRAYS BACK. THE NEW COCKPIT DOOR PROVED MORE DIFFICULT TO OPEN AND CAUSED SOME CONFUSION. AFTER ABOUT 70 DEGS OF TURN, FO INQUIRED TO CAPT ABOUT SHALLOW ANGLE OF BANK BOX WAS COMMANDING, GIVING ONLY 12 DEGS OF ROLL. AT SAME TIME, FO REVERTED TO HDG SELECT TO MANUAL PERFORM THE HOLD AND INCREASE BANK ANGLE. SHORTLY AFTER, WE HAD INCREASED OUR BANK ANGLE, THE CTLR INQUIRED ABOUT OUR ENTRY -- STATING WE HAD GONE DEEPER THAN HE HAD EXPECTED. WE CONCURRED AND STATED WE WERE NOW IN A STEEPER BANK TO CORRECT BACK. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 572745: FO, WHO WAS RELATIVELY NEW TO THE ACFT, WAS PF. I NOTICED WE WERE IN HDG SELECT AND W OF OUR INTXN. AT THE SAME TIME, I ASKED THE FO WHY WE WERE NOT IN NAV. THE CTLR QUESTIONED US AND SAID WE WERE 12 MI W OF WATSN. TO ADD TO THE ISSUE, WE HAD BEEN IN PERFORMANCE MODE PRIOR TO DSCNT AND RATHER THAN RETURNING TO SLOWER SPD WE HAD SELECTED, IT WENT BACK TO A FASTER CRUISE SPD. WE ALSO FEEL THAT THE GPS COULD HAVE BEEN ALTERED TO HAVE A LESSER BANK. WHILE WE FELT WE WERE BOTH PAYING SOUND ATTN TO THE FLT PROGRESS, IT SHOWS HOW QUICKLY THESE THINGS CAN OCCUR. WHILE I THOUGHT IT WAS A REASONABLE TIME TO DEAL WITH THE TRAYS, I SHOULD HAVE WAITED UNTIL WE WERE MORE ESTABLISHED IN HOLD OR HAD GONE AROUND THE TRACK A FEW TIMES.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.