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Attributes | |
ACN | 573315 |
Time | |
Date | 200302 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : egll.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : pdx.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 573315 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were holding in block of runway 27L. Lndgs were on runway 27R. Tower advised us to plan to line up and wait behind the second A-321 holding south of runway 27L. We then taxied to hold block north of runway 27L as directed. We observed an airbus, B777 and a second airbus takeoff. I said ok we're next, and started to taxi to line up and wait. Crossing the hold short line, the tower said we were not in sequence. We apologized and offered to clear the runway and re-enter the line. Tower said that would not be necessary, expect takeoff clearance shortly. Takeoff and departure were normal. No mention was ever made by tower about our number (3, 6, 8) in the takeoff sequence. Follow the second airbus 321 was all we were given. We apparently mistook an airbus 319 or 320 for a 321 and, therefore, miscounted the departing aircraft. I believe airbus model number is a poor way to sequence departures in the failing light of dusk. Except for their length, narrow body airbuses are identical. A simple hold short until you are number 2 or 3, then an assignment for sequence would be a much safer operation.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EGLL DEPARTING B777 CROSSED HOLD LINE FOR RWY WITHOUT ATC CLRNC.
Narrative: WE WERE HOLDING IN BLOCK OF RWY 27L. LNDGS WERE ON RWY 27R. TWR ADVISED US TO PLAN TO LINE UP AND WAIT BEHIND THE SECOND A-321 HOLDING S OF RWY 27L. WE THEN TAXIED TO HOLD BLOCK N OF RWY 27L AS DIRECTED. WE OBSERVED AN AIRBUS, B777 AND A SECOND AIRBUS TKOF. I SAID OK WE'RE NEXT, AND STARTED TO TAXI TO LINE UP AND WAIT. XING THE HOLD SHORT LINE, THE TWR SAID WE WERE NOT IN SEQUENCE. WE APOLOGIZED AND OFFERED TO CLR THE RWY AND RE-ENTER THE LINE. TWR SAID THAT WOULD NOT BE NECESSARY, EXPECT TKOF CLRNC SHORTLY. TKOF AND DEP WERE NORMAL. NO MENTION WAS EVER MADE BY TWR ABOUT OUR NUMBER (3, 6, 8) IN THE TKOF SEQUENCE. FOLLOW THE SECOND AIRBUS 321 WAS ALL WE WERE GIVEN. WE APPARENTLY MISTOOK AN AIRBUS 319 OR 320 FOR A 321 AND, THEREFORE, MISCOUNTED THE DEPARTING ACFT. I BELIEVE AIRBUS MODEL NUMBER IS A POOR WAY TO SEQUENCE DEPS IN THE FAILING LIGHT OF DUSK. EXCEPT FOR THEIR LENGTH, NARROW BODY AIRBUSES ARE IDENTICAL. A SIMPLE HOLD SHORT UNTIL YOU ARE NUMBER 2 OR 3, THEN AN ASSIGNMENT FOR SEQUENCE WOULD BE A MUCH SAFER OP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.