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Attributes | |
ACN | 575897 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : dsd.vortac |
State Reference | OR |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C, 210D |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zse.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Embraer Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 15 flight time total : 900 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 575897 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 6000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I was climbing out of bend airport (S07) to the south. I checked in with ZSE passing through 10000 ft (no radar coverage lower). Radar contact. Head-on traffic descending, head-on, told to stop descent at 12000 ft. Traffic pointed out to me. No course of action suggested to me. So, I continued climb on same course. Arriving at 12000 ft, I saw other aircraft almost head on at my altitude. I turned slightly east. Then the other aircraft spotted me, no diversion was made by other aircraft. Controller came on, a bit agitated, and asked the other aircraft if he received an RA. None reported. Then controller chewed me out that I should have leveled before 10000 ft. I simply acknowledged. He had my climb rate on radar, he had other aircraft's descent rate. He should have noted potential conflict and suggested a better alternative to myself or other aircraft. He was correct that, if I had been more aware of the situation, I should have leveled sooner. I had not flown in weeks, had just checked in and was not 100% aware yet. If controller saw conflict, he should speak up. I do not read minds. I feel the controller made the bigger mistake. If I had not checked in just then, and not been watching, it would have been a lot closer. I realize I am given radar advisories 'when able,' but the other aircraft was IFR and deserved better. I am having more and more close calls under flight following and want better.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A C210 PLT CONTINUED HIS CLB TO 12000 FT, EVEN THOUGH HE HEARD ZSE TRACON STOP THE DSCNT OF AN ACR AT 12000 FT, WHICH CAUSED A CONFLICT.
Narrative: I WAS CLBING OUT OF BEND ARPT (S07) TO THE S. I CHKED IN WITH ZSE PASSING THROUGH 10000 FT (NO RADAR COVERAGE LOWER). RADAR CONTACT. HEAD-ON TFC DSNDING, HEAD-ON, TOLD TO STOP DSCNT AT 12000 FT. TFC POINTED OUT TO ME. NO COURSE OF ACTION SUGGESTED TO ME. SO, I CONTINUED CLB ON SAME COURSE. ARRIVING AT 12000 FT, I SAW OTHER ACFT ALMOST HEAD ON AT MY ALT. I TURNED SLIGHTLY E. THEN THE OTHER ACFT SPOTTED ME, NO DIVERSION WAS MADE BY OTHER ACFT. CTLR CAME ON, A BIT AGITATED, AND ASKED THE OTHER ACFT IF HE RECEIVED AN RA. NONE RPTED. THEN CTLR CHEWED ME OUT THAT I SHOULD HAVE LEVELED BEFORE 10000 FT. I SIMPLY ACKNOWLEDGED. HE HAD MY CLB RATE ON RADAR, HE HAD OTHER ACFT'S DSCNT RATE. HE SHOULD HAVE NOTED POTENTIAL CONFLICT AND SUGGESTED A BETTER ALTERNATIVE TO MYSELF OR OTHER ACFT. HE WAS CORRECT THAT, IF I HAD BEEN MORE AWARE OF THE SIT, I SHOULD HAVE LEVELED SOONER. I HAD NOT FLOWN IN WKS, HAD JUST CHKED IN AND WAS NOT 100% AWARE YET. IF CTLR SAW CONFLICT, HE SHOULD SPEAK UP. I DO NOT READ MINDS. I FEEL THE CTLR MADE THE BIGGER MISTAKE. IF I HAD NOT CHKED IN JUST THEN, AND NOT BEEN WATCHING, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT CLOSER. I REALIZE I AM GIVEN RADAR ADVISORIES 'WHEN ABLE,' BUT THE OTHER ACFT WAS IFR AND DESERVED BETTER. I AM HAVING MORE AND MORE CLOSE CALLS UNDER FLT FOLLOWING AND WANT BETTER.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.