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A PA39 pilot is confused by the phraseology used by pct controller when told to stay clear of the class B while entering the dc ADIZ 34 NM from dca, dc.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 576409 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200303 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : pct.tracon |
| State Reference | VA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 5600 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | PA-30 Twin Comanche |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Flight Phase | cruise : level |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 1000 |
| ASRS Report | 576409 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | FAA Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
The controller was very busy. It was the first nice wkend day, and there was heavy traffic. The controller's instructions were confusing 'cleared to enter ADIZ, remain clear of class B' was not clear and spoken fast. Several mins later, I asked him to explain. He did, and added 'the government isn't sure either. How can we know what to do? We are just trying to do the right thing.' he was a very good controller and needs to be thanked. But, we need better 'rules.' potomac approach is doing a much better job since their name change. They try hard, and the new frequency 120.82 is better. The dc airspace needs attention!
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A PA39 PLT IS CONFUSED BY THE PHRASEOLOGY USED BY PCT CTLR WHEN TOLD TO STAY CLR OF THE CLASS B WHILE ENTERING THE DC ADIZ 34 NM FROM DCA, DC.
Narrative: THE CTLR WAS VERY BUSY. IT WAS THE FIRST NICE WKEND DAY, AND THERE WAS HVY TFC. THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS WERE CONFUSING 'CLRED TO ENTER ADIZ, REMAIN CLR OF CLASS B' WAS NOT CLR AND SPOKEN FAST. SEVERAL MINS LATER, I ASKED HIM TO EXPLAIN. HE DID, AND ADDED 'THE GOV ISN'T SURE EITHER. HOW CAN WE KNOW WHAT TO DO? WE ARE JUST TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING.' HE WAS A VERY GOOD CTLR AND NEEDS TO BE THANKED. BUT, WE NEED BETTER 'RULES.' POTOMAC APCH IS DOING A MUCH BETTER JOB SINCE THEIR NAME CHANGE. THEY TRY HARD, AND THE NEW FREQ 120.82 IS BETTER. THE DC AIRSPACE NEEDS ATTN!
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.