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Attributes | |
ACN | 578323 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ful.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 900 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lgb.tower tower : ful.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Enstrom Helicopter 280 Shark |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 31 flight time total : 17000 |
ASRS Report | 578323 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : local |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew faa : investigated |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
As I landed at the long beach airport the tower asked me to call. The person I talked to wanted personal information. He said there was a question regarding my penetrating the tfr at disneyland by as much as a mile. I advised him that I did not think so, but if I did, it would have been by a block or so, not a mile. He told me he did not have any of the information, but someone would be calling. There was never a mention of me having ten days to file a NASA report only that someone would be calling me. Nine days later, long beach FSDO called, after explaining what I did, he said it was out of his hands, but I had ten days from the time of the incident to file a NASA report or I would probably lose my pilot's privileges for 30 days. I fly helicopters out of the fullerton airport on a regular basis and I am very aware of the tfr at disneyland. On the day in question, I departed west bound and turned south over beach blvd, which is west and clear of the disneyland tfr. As I traveled south on beach blvd, I observed a friend's car in his driveway in the city of garden grove. Being west and south of disneyland, I felt I would be clear of the tfr if I circled his home once or twice and continued south. Generally the orbit in a helicopter is much smaller than that of an airplane. When checking the distance on the terminal area chart and the surface street map, it does not appear that I penetrated the tfr. It may help to show the three miles on a local map and send it out to all the FBO's in the area, especially for helicopter operations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: HELI PLT ASKED TO CALL FAA OFFICIAL IN REGARDS TO PERCEIVED DISNEYLAND TFR VIOLATION.
Narrative: AS I LANDED AT THE LONG BEACH ARPT THE TWR ASKED ME TO CALL. THE PERSON I TALKED TO WANTED PERSONAL INFO. HE SAID THERE WAS A QUESTION REGARDING MY PENETRATING THE TFR AT DISNEYLAND BY AS MUCH AS A MILE. I ADVISED HIM THAT I DID NOT THINK SO, BUT IF I DID, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN BY A BLOCK OR SO, NOT A MILE. HE TOLD ME HE DID NOT HAVE ANY OF THE INFO, BUT SOMEONE WOULD BE CALLING. THERE WAS NEVER A MENTION OF ME HAVING TEN DAYS TO FILE A NASA REPORT ONLY THAT SOMEONE WOULD BE CALLING ME. NINE DAYS LATER, LONG BEACH FSDO CALLED, AFTER EXPLAINING WHAT I DID, HE SAID IT WAS OUT OF HIS HANDS, BUT I HAD TEN DAYS FROM THE TIME OF THE INCIDENT TO FILE A NASA REPORT OR I WOULD PROBABLY LOSE MY PLT'S PRIVILEGES FOR 30 DAYS. I FLY HELIS OUT OF THE FULLERTON ARPT ON A REGULAR BASIS AND I AM VERY AWARE OF THE TFR AT DISNEYLAND. ON THE DAY IN QUESTION, I DEPARTED W BOUND AND TURNED S OVER BEACH BLVD, WHICH IS W AND CLR OF THE DISNEYLAND TFR. AS I TRAVELED S ON BEACH BLVD, I OBSERVED A FRIEND'S CAR IN HIS DRIVEWAY IN THE CITY OF GARDEN GROVE. BEING W AND S OF DISNEYLAND, I FELT I WOULD BE CLR OF THE TFR IF I CIRCLED HIS HOME ONCE OR TWICE AND CONTINUED S. GENERALLY THE ORBIT IN A HELI IS MUCH SMALLER THAN THAT OF AN AIRPLANE. WHEN CHKING THE DISTANCE ON THE TERMINAL AREA CHART AND THE SURFACE STREET MAP, IT DOES NOT APPEAR THAT I PENETRATED THE TFR. IT MAY HELP TO SHOW THE THREE MILES ON A LOCAL MAP AND SEND IT OUT TO ALL THE FBO'S IN THE AREA, ESPECIALLY FOR HELI OPS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.