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Attributes | |
ACN | 578551 |
Time | |
Date | 200303 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sns.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 50 agl bound upper : 150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sns.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Duchess 76 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : sns.tower |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 920 flight time type : 40 |
ASRS Report | 578551 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
The other twin was on a practice ILS or localizer approach to runway 31. He was supposed to go missed at 3 mi from the airport. He didn't and did a low approach across the entire length of runway 31. We were cleared for takeoff (another aircraft did a touch-and-go before us) and proceeded to take off. The aircraft just before us was in left closed traffic and we were right downwind so the speed difference was not a factor (C150 or C172). There was an aircraft on final behind us. We saw these other aircraft and separation (so far) was not a problem. After we took off and was climbing through 50-100 ft, I thought I saw 2 aircraft, so I leveled off at about 150 ft AGL and asked my instructor if there were 2 aircraft. I had also glanced down and determined there was not enough room to descend and land on the remaining runway without the possibility of going off the end -- mainly due to speed. The other twin went right over us about 100 ft. According to the radio chatter afterward, the twin on the approach did not hear the 3 NM turnout instructions. At the time he was told about these, I was doing my run-up and my instructor was listing, so I don't know if he read them back or not. I don't know if it is relevant, but when we came in before, the approach controller didn't have it all together, missing calls and forgetting about aircraft. I don't know if the twin read back the 3 NM turnout, but the rule where the controller doesn't have to hear the readback correctly may have almost caused a midair. Also, radar at sns would be a big help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE76 DEPARTING SNS EXPERIENCES CLOSE CALL WITH GAR ACFT.
Narrative: THE OTHER TWIN WAS ON A PRACTICE ILS OR LOC APCH TO RWY 31. HE WAS SUPPOSED TO GO MISSED AT 3 MI FROM THE ARPT. HE DIDN'T AND DID A LOW APCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE LENGTH OF RWY 31. WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF (ANOTHER ACFT DID A TOUCH-AND-GO BEFORE US) AND PROCEEDED TO TAKE OFF. THE ACFT JUST BEFORE US WAS IN L CLOSED TFC AND WE WERE R DOWNWIND SO THE SPD DIFFERENCE WAS NOT A FACTOR (C150 OR C172). THERE WAS AN ACFT ON FINAL BEHIND US. WE SAW THESE OTHER ACFT AND SEPARATION (SO FAR) WAS NOT A PROB. AFTER WE TOOK OFF AND WAS CLBING THROUGH 50-100 FT, I THOUGHT I SAW 2 ACFT, SO I LEVELED OFF AT ABOUT 150 FT AGL AND ASKED MY INSTRUCTOR IF THERE WERE 2 ACFT. I HAD ALSO GLANCED DOWN AND DETERMINED THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH ROOM TO DSND AND LAND ON THE REMAINING RWY WITHOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF GOING OFF THE END -- MAINLY DUE TO SPD. THE OTHER TWIN WENT RIGHT OVER US ABOUT 100 FT. ACCORDING TO THE RADIO CHATTER AFTERWARD, THE TWIN ON THE APCH DID NOT HEAR THE 3 NM TURNOUT INSTRUCTIONS. AT THE TIME HE WAS TOLD ABOUT THESE, I WAS DOING MY RUN-UP AND MY INSTRUCTOR WAS LISTING, SO I DON'T KNOW IF HE READ THEM BACK OR NOT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS RELEVANT, BUT WHEN WE CAME IN BEFORE, THE APCH CTLR DIDN'T HAVE IT ALL TOGETHER, MISSING CALLS AND FORGETTING ABOUT ACFT. I DON'T KNOW IF THE TWIN READ BACK THE 3 NM TURNOUT, BUT THE RULE WHERE THE CTLR DOESN'T HAVE TO HEAR THE READBACK CORRECTLY MAY HAVE ALMOST CAUSED A MIDAIR. ALSO, RADAR AT SNS WOULD BE A BIG HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.