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Attributes | |
ACN | 579275 |
Time | |
Date | 200304 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zzz.airport |
State Reference | US |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Skywagon 185 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 108 flight time total : 4803 flight time type : 1053 |
ASRS Report | 579275 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government other |
Function | other personnel other |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far non adherence : company policies |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
As a pilot for the state, we have no limitation on flight hours per day or weekly. Most of my time is flying wildlife surveys, such as moose and elk surveys and photo work for our forest assessment office. I am carded for the us forest service too and they follow far 135 requirements for flight and duty limitations. This allows me to fly forest service personnel. I was flying photos for our forest assessment and landed at ZZZ1 for fuel after finishing up. I had a message that they wanted me to fly a fire flight that night just southwest of ZZZ. I said I could do it. I still had to fly the forest assessment person to ZZZ2 and then return to ZZZ. When I landed at ZZZ I had flown 7.1 hours for the day. The impression that I got was that we were going to fly a couple of hours. Well 3.2 hours later, I landed with a total of 10.3 hours. I assumed, since we were flying for the state and not the forest service, it was not a problem. I started to think about how many hours I had and that I was flying for the state on fire. I researched the hour limitation on state fires and they follow far 135 flight and duty limitations. I think the problem came from operating under 2 different flight and duty limitations. One being my natural resource pilot job and the other when I am flying for fire. I looked back since I started the job as a full time pilot in 2002 and I had only 1 other day when I was over 8 hours, and it was not for fire. I do consider rest very important and have ended flts for the day because I was getting fatigued. I have started a data sheet showing my daily flight times, on duty, off duty for each day of the month so I can track the far 135 duty and limitations. If I get a call for fire flts, I can have an exact record which will tell hours available and if I meet the rest requirements.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A FIRE OBSERVATION PLT IS CONCERNED OVER HIS EXCEEDING THE SCHEDULED 8 IN 24 AFTER THE FLT HAD RETURNED TO ZZZ, US.
Narrative: AS A PLT FOR THE STATE, WE HAVE NO LIMITATION ON FLT HRS PER DAY OR WEEKLY. MOST OF MY TIME IS FLYING WILDLIFE SURVEYS, SUCH AS MOOSE AND ELK SURVEYS AND PHOTO WORK FOR OUR FOREST ASSESSMENT OFFICE. I AM CARDED FOR THE US FOREST SVC TOO AND THEY FOLLOW FAR 135 REQUIREMENTS FOR FLT AND DUTY LIMITATIONS. THIS ALLOWS ME TO FLY FOREST SVC PERSONNEL. I WAS FLYING PHOTOS FOR OUR FOREST ASSESSMENT AND LANDED AT ZZZ1 FOR FUEL AFTER FINISHING UP. I HAD A MESSAGE THAT THEY WANTED ME TO FLY A FIRE FLT THAT NIGHT JUST SW OF ZZZ. I SAID I COULD DO IT. I STILL HAD TO FLY THE FOREST ASSESSMENT PERSON TO ZZZ2 AND THEN RETURN TO ZZZ. WHEN I LANDED AT ZZZ I HAD FLOWN 7.1 HRS FOR THE DAY. THE IMPRESSION THAT I GOT WAS THAT WE WERE GOING TO FLY A COUPLE OF HRS. WELL 3.2 HRS LATER, I LANDED WITH A TOTAL OF 10.3 HRS. I ASSUMED, SINCE WE WERE FLYING FOR THE STATE AND NOT THE FOREST SVC, IT WAS NOT A PROB. I STARTED TO THINK ABOUT HOW MANY HRS I HAD AND THAT I WAS FLYING FOR THE STATE ON FIRE. I RESEARCHED THE HR LIMITATION ON STATE FIRES AND THEY FOLLOW FAR 135 FLT AND DUTY LIMITATIONS. I THINK THE PROB CAME FROM OPERATING UNDER 2 DIFFERENT FLT AND DUTY LIMITATIONS. ONE BEING MY NATURAL RESOURCE PLT JOB AND THE OTHER WHEN I AM FLYING FOR FIRE. I LOOKED BACK SINCE I STARTED THE JOB AS A FULL TIME PLT IN 2002 AND I HAD ONLY 1 OTHER DAY WHEN I WAS OVER 8 HRS, AND IT WAS NOT FOR FIRE. I DO CONSIDER REST VERY IMPORTANT AND HAVE ENDED FLTS FOR THE DAY BECAUSE I WAS GETTING FATIGUED. I HAVE STARTED A DATA SHEET SHOWING MY DAILY FLT TIMES, ON DUTY, OFF DUTY FOR EACH DAY OF THE MONTH SO I CAN TRACK THE FAR 135 DUTY AND LIMITATIONS. IF I GET A CALL FOR FIRE FLTS, I CAN HAVE AN EXACT RECORD WHICH WILL TELL HRS AVAILABLE AND IF I MEET THE REST REQUIREMENTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.