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Attributes | |
ACN | 582370 |
Time | |
Date | 200305 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : amigo |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : paradise |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zla.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 13000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 582370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 582496 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar mode c aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance none taken : detected after the fact |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
During descent on the PARADISE4 arrival into lax, air carrier X was given the crossing restr 'cross amigo at 15000 ft.' the first officer read back 'cross amigo at 15000 ft.' approximately 2 mins after we had leveled at 15000 ft, ZLA asked us what our altitude was. The first officer said 'our clearance was to cross amigo at 15000 ft,' and we were level at 15000 ft. ZLA said there was an air carrier Y jet at 15000 ft at our 10 O'clock position. ZLA gave air carrier Y a 20 degree turn for traffic separation. We did have a TA on the TCASII, but no RA. Traffic was estimated at our altitude at no closer than 5 mi. I believe the controller gave us an altitude assignment of 15000 ft in error.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZLA RADAR CTLR MAY HAVE MISSPOKEN AND ISSUED AN INCORRECT XING ALT TO A B737 CREW.
Narrative: DURING DSCNT ON THE PARADISE4 ARR INTO LAX, ACR X WAS GIVEN THE XING RESTR 'CROSS AMIGO AT 15000 FT.' THE FO READ BACK 'CROSS AMIGO AT 15000 FT.' APPROX 2 MINS AFTER WE HAD LEVELED AT 15000 FT, ZLA ASKED US WHAT OUR ALT WAS. THE FO SAID 'OUR CLRNC WAS TO CROSS AMIGO AT 15000 FT,' AND WE WERE LEVEL AT 15000 FT. ZLA SAID THERE WAS AN ACR Y JET AT 15000 FT AT OUR 10 O'CLOCK POS. ZLA GAVE ACR Y A 20 DEG TURN FOR TFC SEPARATION. WE DID HAVE A TA ON THE TCASII, BUT NO RA. TFC WAS ESTIMATED AT OUR ALT AT NO CLOSER THAN 5 MI. I BELIEVE THE CTLR GAVE US AN ALT ASSIGNMENT OF 15000 FT IN ERROR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.