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Attributes | |
ACN | 583413 |
Time | |
Date | 200305 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8600 msl bound upper : 10000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc tracon : ind.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : bunts 6 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6300 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 583413 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Weather Environmental Factor ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Flying the bunts 6 arrival to phl, descending to 10000 ft initially as cleared by ZNY. Passing approximately 14000 ft we were cleared to cross bunts intersection at 8000 ft. We were descending in vertical speed mode because of the multiple step-downs and distance to bunts intersection (approximately 25 mi to go). We completed the approach checklist at 11000 ft and as we approached 10000 ft, ZNY asked us about a good location around bunts intersection to hold because of thunderstorms in the phl area. At this time both pilots were distracted by this question by looking at the WX in the area and figuring out a good holding location. At approximately 8600 ft I looked at the altitude and saw we were at 300 KTS still and slowed to 250 KTS at this time. It turns out ATC just wanted a location for aircraft behind us, not for us. Contributing factors were: ATC asking about holding at a point in time when another task was required to be completed. WX in the area. VNAV mode at this time, VNAV would have slowed the aircraft at 10000 ft, while vertical speed mode will not. Corrective action: most important is to always fly the airplane first. By being distracted by a question from ATC, we missed a critical slow down. We should have said standby, complete task of flying and then answer questions. Also autoplt mode was a factor. By using vertical speed vice VNAV, we had to manually slow down. We should have switched modes to VNAV when asked by ATC about holding.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-800 FLT CREW ALLOWS THEIR ACFT TO MAINTAIN SPD OF 300 KTS DURING ITS DSCNT TO 8600 FT 20 NM NW OF MXE, PA.
Narrative: FLYING THE BUNTS 6 ARR TO PHL, DSNDING TO 10000 FT INITIALLY AS CLRED BY ZNY. PASSING APPROX 14000 FT WE WERE CLRED TO CROSS BUNTS INTXN AT 8000 FT. WE WERE DSNDING IN VERT SPD MODE BECAUSE OF THE MULTIPLE STEP-DOWNS AND DISTANCE TO BUNTS INTXN (APPROX 25 MI TO GO). WE COMPLETED THE APCH CHKLIST AT 11000 FT AND AS WE APCHED 10000 FT, ZNY ASKED US ABOUT A GOOD LOCATION AROUND BUNTS INTXN TO HOLD BECAUSE OF TSTMS IN THE PHL AREA. AT THIS TIME BOTH PLTS WERE DISTRACTED BY THIS QUESTION BY LOOKING AT THE WX IN THE AREA AND FIGURING OUT A GOOD HOLDING LOCATION. AT APPROX 8600 FT I LOOKED AT THE ALT AND SAW WE WERE AT 300 KTS STILL AND SLOWED TO 250 KTS AT THIS TIME. IT TURNS OUT ATC JUST WANTED A LOCATION FOR ACFT BEHIND US, NOT FOR US. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS WERE: ATC ASKING ABOUT HOLDING AT A POINT IN TIME WHEN ANOTHER TASK WAS REQUIRED TO BE COMPLETED. WX IN THE AREA. VNAV MODE AT THIS TIME, VNAV WOULD HAVE SLOWED THE ACFT AT 10000 FT, WHILE VERT SPD MODE WILL NOT. CORRECTIVE ACTION: MOST IMPORTANT IS TO ALWAYS FLY THE AIRPLANE FIRST. BY BEING DISTRACTED BY A QUESTION FROM ATC, WE MISSED A CRITICAL SLOW DOWN. WE SHOULD HAVE SAID STANDBY, COMPLETE TASK OF FLYING AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS. ALSO AUTOPLT MODE WAS A FACTOR. BY USING VERT SPD VICE VNAV, WE HAD TO MANUALLY SLOW DOWN. WE SHOULD HAVE SWITCHED MODES TO VNAV WHEN ASKED BY ATC ABOUT HOLDING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.