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Attributes | |
ACN | 583559 |
Time | |
Date | 200305 |
Day | Mon |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ase.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Beechjet 400 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | ground : preflight |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 4800 flight time type : 950 |
ASRS Report | 583559 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was sic on a part 91 cpr flight operating a BE400A. We were preparing for departure from pitkin county airport (ase) aspen, co, to gary, in (gyy) with passenger. The captain on his own initiative had previously ordered the fuel. Performing my sic duties, I completed the 'told' card for our takeoff. With data from the 'told' card applied to our performance charts (altitude, temperature, runway available, etec), I determined that we would be several hundred pounds over our maximum takeoff weight for the conditions on that day. I explained this situation to the captain prior to our passenger arrival. His response was that he was aware of the temperature and altitude and that his interpretation of the 4 categories of performance limitations, maximum takeoff weight, maximum takeoff weight to achieve climb requirements, maximum takeoff weight limited by maximum brake energy and maximum takeoff weight for runway length, was under VFR conditions, and only the maximum takeoff weight limited by maximum brake energy applied. We did comply with that category but not with maximum takeoff weight to achieve climb requirements or maximum takeoff weight for the runway available and conditions. As I had no more available time to research his response prior to our passenger arrival, I felt compelled to go along with the captain's rational of this situation and continue the flight. The flight continued without incident. Immediately upon reaching my home, I researched the captain's explanation with the far's and aircraft performance limitations and determined that all 4 categories of performance limitations are to be complied with regardless of VFR or IFR conditions or type of flight plan. On hindsight, my perception is that the captain was confusing the IFR climb gradient requirement with aircraft maximum takeoff weight to achieve takeoff climb requirements. My concern is that other capts of part 91 high performance jet aircraft might be under a similar misconception of what and how to rely on performance charts. The captain and I have agreed to conduct a joint review of all available information on performance charts and to refine our crew coordination to not allow this negative situation to occur again.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: BE400 FO DETERMINES ACFT OVERWT FOR DEP. CAPT DISAGREES.
Narrative: I WAS SIC ON A PART 91 CPR FLT OPERATING A BE400A. WE WERE PREPARING FOR DEP FROM PITKIN COUNTY ARPT (ASE) ASPEN, CO, TO GARY, IN (GYY) WITH PAX. THE CAPT ON HIS OWN INITIATIVE HAD PREVIOUSLY ORDERED THE FUEL. PERFORMING MY SIC DUTIES, I COMPLETED THE 'TOLD' CARD FOR OUR TKOF. WITH DATA FROM THE 'TOLD' CARD APPLIED TO OUR PERFORMANCE CHARTS (ALT, TEMP, RWY AVAILABLE, ETEC), I DETERMINED THAT WE WOULD BE SEVERAL HUNDRED POUNDS OVER OUR MAX TKOF WT FOR THE CONDITIONS ON THAT DAY. I EXPLAINED THIS SIT TO THE CAPT PRIOR TO OUR PAX ARR. HIS RESPONSE WAS THAT HE WAS AWARE OF THE TEMP AND ALT AND THAT HIS INTERP OF THE 4 CATEGORIES OF PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS, MAX TKOF WT, MAX TKOF WT TO ACHIEVE CLB REQUIREMENTS, MAX TKOF WT LIMITED BY MAX BRAKE ENERGY AND MAX TKOF WT FOR RWY LENGTH, WAS UNDER VFR CONDITIONS, AND ONLY THE MAX TKOF WT LIMITED BY MAX BRAKE ENERGY APPLIED. WE DID COMPLY WITH THAT CATEGORY BUT NOT WITH MAX TKOF WT TO ACHIEVE CLB REQUIREMENTS OR MAX TKOF WT FOR THE RWY AVAILABLE AND CONDITIONS. AS I HAD NO MORE AVAILABLE TIME TO RESEARCH HIS RESPONSE PRIOR TO OUR PAX ARR, I FELT COMPELLED TO GO ALONG WITH THE CAPT'S RATIONAL OF THIS SIT AND CONTINUE THE FLT. THE FLT CONTINUED WITHOUT INCIDENT. IMMEDIATELY UPON REACHING MY HOME, I RESEARCHED THE CAPT'S EXPLANATION WITH THE FAR'S AND ACFT PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS AND DETERMINED THAT ALL 4 CATEGORIES OF PERFORMANCE LIMITATIONS ARE TO BE COMPLIED WITH REGARDLESS OF VFR OR IFR CONDITIONS OR TYPE OF FLT PLAN. ON HINDSIGHT, MY PERCEPTION IS THAT THE CAPT WAS CONFUSING THE IFR CLB GRADIENT REQUIREMENT WITH ACFT MAX TKOF WT TO ACHIEVE TKOF CLB REQUIREMENTS. MY CONCERN IS THAT OTHER CAPTS OF PART 91 HIGH PERFORMANCE JET ACFT MIGHT BE UNDER A SIMILAR MISCONCEPTION OF WHAT AND HOW TO RELY ON PERFORMANCE CHARTS. THE CAPT AND I HAVE AGREED TO CONDUCT A JOINT REVIEW OF ALL AVAILABLE INFO ON PERFORMANCE CHARTS AND TO REFINE OUR CREW COORD TO NOT ALLOW THIS NEGATIVE SIT TO OCCUR AGAIN.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.