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Attributes | |
ACN | 588750 |
Time | |
Date | 200307 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 13200 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 588750 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : landed as precaution other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airport Environmental Factor FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
New york lga airport was using runway 4 as the active with runway 13/31 closed for maintenance. We had about 4 mi of separation between us and the aircraft ahead. After the aircraft ahead crossed the landing threshold, lga tower cleared an air carrier, MD80, into position and instructed them to be ready for an immediate takeoff. We don't like this as we were inside 3 mi and closing fast -- vref was 140 KTS. Tower cleared the MD80 for an immediate takeoff, but it appeared the crew was in no hurry, as it must have been 7-10 seconds before the aircraft began to roll. As we passed the runway threshold, the MD80 was just beginning to rotate. I held the aircraft off until my first officer told me he was airborne -- at which time I more or less dropped my aircraft in so as to get it down and stopped. I continued landing for 2 reasons: 1) the tower did not call a go around, and 2) I felt it was the safer option to land, because had I attempted a go around at this late point, we may have had a much larger problem maintaining separation from the now flying MD80. I feel this situation could have been avoided altogether had the tower waited to depart the MD80 until after we had landed.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CL65 FORCED TO LAND ON RWY 4 AT LGA BEFORE PREVIOUS TKOF ACFT HAD BROKEN GND.
Narrative: NEW YORK LGA ARPT WAS USING RWY 4 AS THE ACTIVE WITH RWY 13/31 CLOSED FOR MAINT. WE HAD ABOUT 4 MI OF SEPARATION BTWN US AND THE ACFT AHEAD. AFTER THE ACFT AHEAD CROSSED THE LNDG THRESHOLD, LGA TWR CLRED AN ACR, MD80, INTO POS AND INSTRUCTED THEM TO BE READY FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF. WE DON'T LIKE THIS AS WE WERE INSIDE 3 MI AND CLOSING FAST -- VREF WAS 140 KTS. TWR CLRED THE MD80 FOR AN IMMEDIATE TKOF, BUT IT APPEARED THE CREW WAS IN NO HURRY, AS IT MUST HAVE BEEN 7-10 SECONDS BEFORE THE ACFT BEGAN TO ROLL. AS WE PASSED THE RWY THRESHOLD, THE MD80 WAS JUST BEGINNING TO ROTATE. I HELD THE ACFT OFF UNTIL MY FO TOLD ME HE WAS AIRBORNE -- AT WHICH TIME I MORE OR LESS DROPPED MY ACFT IN SO AS TO GET IT DOWN AND STOPPED. I CONTINUED LNDG FOR 2 REASONS: 1) THE TWR DID NOT CALL A GAR, AND 2) I FELT IT WAS THE SAFER OPTION TO LAND, BECAUSE HAD I ATTEMPTED A GAR AT THIS LATE POINT, WE MAY HAVE HAD A MUCH LARGER PROB MAINTAINING SEPARATION FROM THE NOW FLYING MD80. I FEEL THIS SIT COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED ALTOGETHER HAD THE TWR WAITED TO DEPART THE MD80 UNTIL AFTER WE HAD LANDED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.