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A CL65 captain reported that they deleted harp intersection at the request of pwm only to find that N90 expected them to utilize harp.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 589343 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200307 |
| Day | Sat |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
| State Reference | NY |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet CL65, Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach descent : intermediate altitude |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : commercial |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 4150 flight time type : 2800 |
| ASRS Report | 589343 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure |
Narrative:
When receiving clearance for pwm, we were told twice to delete harp intersection from flight plan. Flew flight plan without harp. Then, approach asked us if we were direct lga. They said harp should not have been removed. In the end portland clearance gave us bad information for our flight. Harp should have been left in according to ny.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A CL65 CAPT RPTED THAT THEY DELETED HARP INTXN AT THE REQUEST OF PWM ONLY TO FIND THAT N90 EXPECTED THEM TO UTILIZE HARP.
Narrative: WHEN RECEIVING CLRNC FOR PWM, WE WERE TOLD TWICE TO DELETE HARP INTXN FROM FLT PLAN. FLEW FLT PLAN WITHOUT HARP. THEN, APCH ASKED US IF WE WERE DIRECT LGA. THEY SAID HARP SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN REMOVED. IN THE END PORTLAND CLRNC GAVE US BAD INFO FOR OUR FLT. HARP SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT IN ACCORDING TO NY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.