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S80 captain alleges compressed spacing between arrival and departures at stl, then verbal abuse by tower when questioned about spacing techniques.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 593743 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200309 |
| Day | Wed |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : stl.airport |
| State Reference | MO |
| Environment | |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : stl.tower |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| ASRS Report | 593743 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Airport Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Situations | |
| ATC Facility | procedure or policy : stl.tower |
Narrative:
Stl tower consistently and purposely departs traffic ahead of you with bare minimum spacing. They know it and reduce below 6000 ft if pilots are accepting it. Then they reduce it more until they get go around's or refusals. They are pilot pushing and compromising safety. They are abusive on the radio if you comment. Check the go around rate. Everyone knows it is way way high.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: S80 CAPT ALLEGES COMPRESSED SPACING BTWN ARR AND DEPS AT STL, THEN VERBAL ABUSE BY TWR WHEN QUESTIONED ABOUT SPACING TECHNIQUES.
Narrative: STL TWR CONSISTENTLY AND PURPOSELY DEPARTS TFC AHEAD OF YOU WITH BARE MINIMUM SPACING. THEY KNOW IT AND REDUCE BELOW 6000 FT IF PLTS ARE ACCEPTING IT. THEN THEY REDUCE IT MORE UNTIL THEY GET GAR'S OR REFUSALS. THEY ARE PLT PUSHING AND COMPROMISING SAFETY. THEY ARE ABUSIVE ON THE RADIO IF YOU COMMENT. CHK THE GAR RATE. EVERYONE KNOWS IT IS WAY WAY HIGH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.