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Attributes | |
ACN | 594545 |
Time | |
Date | 200309 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jyo.airport |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 1300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee Arrow IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | DVR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 180 flight time type : 90 |
ASRS Report | 594545 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | other personnel |
Events | |
Anomaly | airspace violation : entry non adherence : published procedure non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Environmental Factor FAA Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation other |
Situations | |
Airspace Structure | special use : dcadiz.othersua |
Narrative:
I filed an ADIZ flight plan with flight service and called clearance delivery on the ground in leesburg within the expiration time of the flight plan (2 hours). Clearance delivery gave me a code and a frequency to call ATC after takeoff at this uncontrolled field. They then changed the frequency and told me to use a new one instead. I took off and called ATC on the assigned frequency on the downwind departure from runway 35. No response. I called again. No response. I then turned on course and thought I would give it one more try before turning back to the traffic pattern to try the other frequency or land if that was unsuccessful. This time I got a response inbtwn calls to airliners -- 'roger aircraft xxxyy' or possibly 'roger xyy.' that was established communications in my book and I proceeded. When I called in clear of the ADIZ and asked for flight following, the controller said I did not call him after takeoff and handed me off to the next controller who asked me to call potomac approach upon landing. When I called they said I did not check in after takeoff and I explained that I did and the controller was just busy. I also did not argue with him when he handed me off in the air as I felt he was busy. Moral of the story -- push back if they say something you don't agree with. He probably would have remembered when I gave him the context of the call. Also, why did he not just call the aircraft squawking my assigned code if there was a concern? I think he just forgot about me in the rush. Bottom line, I think people should be cleared positively into the ADIZ just like class B clrncs. It needs a firm handoff as opposed to a class C handoff due to the severity of the enforcement actions from both the FAA and the military! Simply a roger like I got is not good enough -- the controller can easily forget to tag you in the rush.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PLT OF PA28 IS CITED BY PCT FOR FAILING TO COMPLY WITH DC ADIZ OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS WHEN HE FLEW WITHIN AND EXITED THE ADIZ WITHOUT ESTABLISHING RADIO CONTACT. DEPARTED FROM JYO AND ALTHOUGH PCT EVENTUALLY 'ROGERED' HIS ATTEMPT TO ESTABLISH COM THEY DID NOT CONSIDER THAT ADEQUATE.
Narrative: I FILED AN ADIZ FLT PLAN WITH FLT SVC AND CALLED CLRNC DELIVERY ON THE GND IN LEESBURG WITHIN THE EXPIRATION TIME OF THE FLT PLAN (2 HRS). CLRNC DELIVERY GAVE ME A CODE AND A FREQ TO CALL ATC AFTER TKOF AT THIS UNCTLED FIELD. THEY THEN CHANGED THE FREQ AND TOLD ME TO USE A NEW ONE INSTEAD. I TOOK OFF AND CALLED ATC ON THE ASSIGNED FREQ ON THE DOWNWIND DEP FROM RWY 35. NO RESPONSE. I CALLED AGAIN. NO RESPONSE. I THEN TURNED ON COURSE AND THOUGHT I WOULD GIVE IT ONE MORE TRY BEFORE TURNING BACK TO THE TFC PATTERN TO TRY THE OTHER FREQ OR LAND IF THAT WAS UNSUCCESSFUL. THIS TIME I GOT A RESPONSE INBTWN CALLS TO AIRLINERS -- 'ROGER ACFT XXXYY' OR POSSIBLY 'ROGER XYY.' THAT WAS ESTABLISHED COMS IN MY BOOK AND I PROCEEDED. WHEN I CALLED IN CLR OF THE ADIZ AND ASKED FOR FLT FOLLOWING, THE CTLR SAID I DID NOT CALL HIM AFTER TKOF AND HANDED ME OFF TO THE NEXT CTLR WHO ASKED ME TO CALL POTOMAC APCH UPON LNDG. WHEN I CALLED THEY SAID I DID NOT CHK IN AFTER TKOF AND I EXPLAINED THAT I DID AND THE CTLR WAS JUST BUSY. I ALSO DID NOT ARGUE WITH HIM WHEN HE HANDED ME OFF IN THE AIR AS I FELT HE WAS BUSY. MORAL OF THE STORY -- PUSH BACK IF THEY SAY SOMETHING YOU DON'T AGREE WITH. HE PROBABLY WOULD HAVE REMEMBERED WHEN I GAVE HIM THE CONTEXT OF THE CALL. ALSO, WHY DID HE NOT JUST CALL THE ACFT SQUAWKING MY ASSIGNED CODE IF THERE WAS A CONCERN? I THINK HE JUST FORGOT ABOUT ME IN THE RUSH. BOTTOM LINE, I THINK PEOPLE SHOULD BE CLRED POSITIVELY INTO THE ADIZ JUST LIKE CLASS B CLRNCS. IT NEEDS A FIRM HDOF AS OPPOSED TO A CLASS C HDOF DUE TO THE SEVERITY OF THE ENFORCEMENT ACTIONS FROM BOTH THE FAA AND THE MIL! SIMPLY A ROGER LIKE I GOT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH -- THE CTLR CAN EASILY FORGET TO TAG YOU IN THE RUSH.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.