A cl-65 flight crew fail to hold short of runway 12R at hou.

Attributes
ACN	595835
Time
Date	200310
Day	Tue
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : hou.airport
State Reference	TX
Altitude	agl single value : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Commercial Fixed Wing
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	ground : holding ground : taxi
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 21000 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	595835
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : far
Independent Detector	other controllera
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	faa : reviewed incident with flight crew
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance

Narrative:

Taxi from gate to hold short of runway 12L on taxiway D. Approaching 12L ground told us to monitor tower. Holding short of runway 12L, tower told us to taxi to runway 12R. We crossed runway 17 and held short of runway 12R. We saw no hold lines of any signs indicating where to hold for 12R. Nor is there any information in the communication charts about where to hold for runway 12R. Tower informed us in flight that the hold line was 20 yrs back from runway. This would put it east of runway 17, if it exists at all. There was no runway incursion on to runway 12R. The tower controller informed us that not to worry about it, that he just wanted to let us know about it. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: during callback to reporter, reporter stated that they never did see any sign for runway 12R. Reporter feels that there should be better signage and that the hold line should be depicted on the charts. Reporter was told by tower that the hold line for runway 12R is combined with runway 17 and that a lot of pilots make the same mistake.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A CL-65 FLT CREW FAIL TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 12R AT HOU.

Narrative: TAXI FROM GATE TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 12L ON TXWY D. APCHING 12L GND TOLD US TO MONITOR TWR. HOLDING SHORT OF RWY 12L, TWR TOLD US TO TAXI TO RWY 12R. WE CROSSED RWY 17 AND HELD SHORT OF RWY 12R. WE SAW NO HOLD LINES OF ANY SIGNS INDICATING WHERE TO HOLD FOR 12R. NOR IS THERE ANY INFO IN THE COM CHARTS ABOUT WHERE TO HOLD FOR RWY 12R. TWR INFORMED US IN FLT THAT THE HOLD LINE WAS 20 YRS BACK FROM RWY. THIS WOULD PUT IT E OF RWY 17, IF IT EXISTS AT ALL. THERE WAS NO RWY INCURSION ON TO RWY 12R. THE TWR CTLR INFORMED US THAT NOT TO WORRY ABOUT IT, THAT HE JUST WANTED TO LET US KNOW ABOUT IT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: DURING CALLBACK TO RPTR, RPTR STATED THAT THEY NEVER DID SEE ANY SIGN FOR RWY 12R. RPTR FEELS THAT THERE SHOULD BE BETTER SIGNAGE AND THAT THE HOLD LINE SHOULD BE DEPICTED ON THE CHARTS. RPTR WAS TOLD BY TWR THAT THE HOLD LINE FOR RWY 12R IS COMBINED WITH RWY 17 AND THAT A LOT OF PLTS MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.