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Attributes | |
ACN | 598260 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : hpn.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 1000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : hpn.tower tower : lax.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-31T-1 Cheyenne I |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern arrival : vfr arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : hpn.tower |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger Jet Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : charted visual |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 598260 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 12000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
New york approach has habit of keeping inbound traffic for hpn on approach frequency until in or almost in hpn traffic pattern. Makes it difficult to develop 'big picture' of traffic flow. We were given customary tappanzee to left base runway 34 instructions by approach (and kept high requiring maximum comfortable descent rate for unpressurized aircraft). Approach turned us over to tower when established on left base, and tower cleared to land in front of challenger on 6 mi final. Spacing appeared tight based on our mode south display of traffic, and following traffic was forced to do 360 degree turn for spacing. (We received TA on short final from mode south due to following traffic.) I believe that aircraft was on sound visual 34 approach and was working another approach frequency before going to tower. He was on tower frequency when we were switched. Approach should hand VFR traffic to tower earlier than base leg! (We called twice to ask to go to tower before approach would turn us over.)
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VFR PA31 PLT ARRIVING HPN EXPRESSED CONCERN WITH TRACON'S LATE XFER TO THE TWR.
Narrative: NEW YORK APCH HAS HABIT OF KEEPING INBOUND TFC FOR HPN ON APCH FREQ UNTIL IN OR ALMOST IN HPN TFC PATTERN. MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO DEVELOP 'BIG PICTURE' OF TFC FLOW. WE WERE GIVEN CUSTOMARY TAPPANZEE TO L BASE RWY 34 INSTRUCTIONS BY APCH (AND KEPT HIGH REQUIRING MAX COMFORTABLE DSCNT RATE FOR UNPRESSURIZED ACFT). APCH TURNED US OVER TO TWR WHEN ESTABLISHED ON L BASE, AND TWR CLRED TO LAND IN FRONT OF CHALLENGER ON 6 MI FINAL. SPACING APPEARED TIGHT BASED ON OUR MODE S DISPLAY OF TFC, AND FOLLOWING TFC WAS FORCED TO DO 360 DEG TURN FOR SPACING. (WE RECEIVED TA ON SHORT FINAL FROM MODE S DUE TO FOLLOWING TFC.) I BELIEVE THAT ACFT WAS ON SOUND VISUAL 34 APCH AND WAS WORKING ANOTHER APCH FREQ BEFORE GOING TO TWR. HE WAS ON TWR FREQ WHEN WE WERE SWITCHED. APCH SHOULD HAND VFR TFC TO TWR EARLIER THAN BASE LEG! (WE CALLED TWICE TO ASK TO GO TO TWR BEFORE APCH WOULD TURN US OVER.)
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.