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Attributes | |
ACN | 599986 |
Time | |
Date | 200311 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord.airport |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | agl single value : 150 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Rain |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 27l |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 599986 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 599988 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : investigated faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | vertical : 501 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Captain flying, landing phase at ord runway 27L. Night landing, light rain, broke out at 600 ft or so, aircraft taking off on runway 22L was taking its time and by the time we were within 150 ft of the ground, departing aircraft on runway 22L was just barely rolling to my left. I had it in sight at all times, and stayed slightly high to add margin of safety, came to a stop and turned off taxiway T with no problems. I believe ATC thought they had enough time to clear the departing aircraft but think somehow this was pushing the envelope. Supplemental information on acn 599988: we gained visual with the field at approximately 500 ft AGL, and I noted variable winds to the captain. At approximately 300 ft AGL, the tower controller advised us, with 'uncharacteristic' hesitation, that he had also cleared a company aircraft for takeoff on runway 22L. I did not initially see any aircraft lighting on runway 22L. Below 200 ft AGL, our landing lights illuminated the approach end of runway 22L (in immediate proximity to the approach end of runway 27L), and at that time I visually sighted the company aircraft (I believe a B767) entering the runway and not yet lined up, but obviously beginning its takeoff roll. I asked the tower controller on frequency, 'is this kosher?' the tower controller answered in the affirmative, but again there was 'hesitation.' my last view of the aircraft departing runway 22L was a right to left pass as it disappeared under the nose of our aircraft. At my estimation, we passed directly overhead the departing aircraft on centerline of runway 22L as we were crossing that centerline on runway 27L. At that point, I transmitted 'no way,' as if to say, 'no way is this kosher,' but then I focused my attention on the final moments of the landing. As we were flaring, we had a 6 KT right quartering tailwind. My initial impression was that we were well under 100 ft AGL as we crossed the centerline of runway 22L, and that our vertical separation with the departing aircraft was most likely 50 ft or less. I contacted the ord FAA tower supervisor. I briefed him on the situation, and asked whether it was standard practice to depart aircraft from runway 22L with an aircraft on short final for runway 27L, and he advised that 2 aircraft could not enter the approach zone for a runway at the same time. I advised him that this is what happened, and he said he'd initiate a quality assurance incident report on monday.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A320 ON SHORT FINAL RWY 27L AT ORD EXPRESSED CONCERN REGARDING TIGHT SPACING WITH DEP ACFT FROM RWY 22L.
Narrative: CAPT FLYING, LNDG PHASE AT ORD RWY 27L. NIGHT LNDG, LIGHT RAIN, BROKE OUT AT 600 FT OR SO, ACFT TAKING OFF ON RWY 22L WAS TAKING ITS TIME AND BY THE TIME WE WERE WITHIN 150 FT OF THE GND, DEPARTING ACFT ON RWY 22L WAS JUST BARELY ROLLING TO MY L. I HAD IT IN SIGHT AT ALL TIMES, AND STAYED SLIGHTLY HIGH TO ADD MARGIN OF SAFETY, CAME TO A STOP AND TURNED OFF TXWY T WITH NO PROBS. I BELIEVE ATC THOUGHT THEY HAD ENOUGH TIME TO CLR THE DEPARTING ACFT BUT THINK SOMEHOW THIS WAS PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO ON ACN 599988: WE GAINED VISUAL WITH THE FIELD AT APPROX 500 FT AGL, AND I NOTED VARIABLE WINDS TO THE CAPT. AT APPROX 300 FT AGL, THE TWR CTLR ADVISED US, WITH 'UNCHARACTERISTIC' HESITATION, THAT HE HAD ALSO CLRED A COMPANY ACFT FOR TKOF ON RWY 22L. I DID NOT INITIALLY SEE ANY ACFT LIGHTING ON RWY 22L. BELOW 200 FT AGL, OUR LNDG LIGHTS ILLUMINATED THE APCH END OF RWY 22L (IN IMMEDIATE PROX TO THE APCH END OF RWY 27L), AND AT THAT TIME I VISUALLY SIGHTED THE COMPANY ACFT (I BELIEVE A B767) ENTERING THE RWY AND NOT YET LINED UP, BUT OBVIOUSLY BEGINNING ITS TKOF ROLL. I ASKED THE TWR CTLR ON FREQ, 'IS THIS KOSHER?' THE TWR CTLR ANSWERED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, BUT AGAIN THERE WAS 'HESITATION.' MY LAST VIEW OF THE ACFT DEPARTING RWY 22L WAS A R TO L PASS AS IT DISAPPEARED UNDER THE NOSE OF OUR ACFT. AT MY ESTIMATION, WE PASSED DIRECTLY OVERHEAD THE DEPARTING ACFT ON CTRLINE OF RWY 22L AS WE WERE XING THAT CTRLINE ON RWY 27L. AT THAT POINT, I XMITTED 'NO WAY,' AS IF TO SAY, 'NO WAY IS THIS KOSHER,' BUT THEN I FOCUSED MY ATTN ON THE FINAL MOMENTS OF THE LNDG. AS WE WERE FLARING, WE HAD A 6 KT R QUARTERING TAILWIND. MY INITIAL IMPRESSION WAS THAT WE WERE WELL UNDER 100 FT AGL AS WE CROSSED THE CTRLINE OF RWY 22L, AND THAT OUR VERT SEPARATION WITH THE DEPARTING ACFT WAS MOST LIKELY 50 FT OR LESS. I CONTACTED THE ORD FAA TWR SUPVR. I BRIEFED HIM ON THE SIT, AND ASKED WHETHER IT WAS STANDARD PRACTICE TO DEPART ACFT FROM RWY 22L WITH AN ACFT ON SHORT FINAL FOR RWY 27L, AND HE ADVISED THAT 2 ACFT COULD NOT ENTER THE APCH ZONE FOR A RWY AT THE SAME TIME. I ADVISED HIM THAT THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED, AND HE SAID HE'D INITIATE A QUALITY ASSURANCE INCIDENT RPT ON MONDAY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.