A B757 has a TCAS RA due to conflicting B737 in ZJX class a airspace.

Attributes
ACN	603722
Time
Date	200312
Day	Fri
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	navaid : omn.vortac
State Reference	FL
Altitude	msl single value : 35000
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx.artcc tower : lvk.tower
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B757-200
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Navigation In Use	other
Flight Phase	cruise : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	artcc : zjx.artcc
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 121
Flight Phase	cruise : holding
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : private pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 28000 flight time type : 2500
ASRS Report	603722
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Events
Anomaly	conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : published procedure
Independent Detector	atc equipment other atc equipment : radar/mode c aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action
Miss Distance	horizontal : 6000 vertical : 400
Supplementary
Problem Areas	ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	ATC Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Operational Error Operational Deviation Intra Facility Coordination Failure

Narrative:

ZJX issued holding pattern east of orm at FL350. I had just entered holding when TCASII RA occurred. TCASII aural warning to climb. Traffic 10 O'clock position at FL350. I visually acquired the traffic as I began a climb to avoid the B737 which was also taking evasive action. Informed ZJX that I was responding to TCASII RA. ATC instructed to descend to FL330. I suspect that ZJX had both aircraft at FL350 and was unaware of the conflict. TCASII worked great. ZJX was very busy at the time of the event unknown aircraft in ZMA's airspace. The probability of this kind of event obviously increases when unknown aircraft enter class a airspace and ATC is forced to put other aircraft in holding in order to sort out the unknown traffic in their airspace. I asked ZJX what had initiated the holding requirement and he responded 'all I know is that I have traffic in my sector and we don't know who they are.' this seems to imply that the suspect aircraft crew needs to be trained in proper IFR/ATC procedures before being allowed to operate again in controled airspace.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: A B757 HAS A TCAS RA DUE TO CONFLICTING B737 IN ZJX CLASS A AIRSPACE.

Narrative: ZJX ISSUED HOLDING PATTERN E OF ORM AT FL350. I HAD JUST ENTERED HOLDING WHEN TCASII RA OCCURRED. TCASII AURAL WARNING TO CLB. TFC 10 O'CLOCK POS AT FL350. I VISUALLY ACQUIRED THE TFC AS I BEGAN A CLB TO AVOID THE B737 WHICH WAS ALSO TAKING EVASIVE ACTION. INFORMED ZJX THAT I WAS RESPONDING TO TCASII RA. ATC INSTRUCTED TO DSND TO FL330. I SUSPECT THAT ZJX HAD BOTH ACFT AT FL350 AND WAS UNAWARE OF THE CONFLICT. TCASII WORKED GREAT. ZJX WAS VERY BUSY AT THE TIME OF THE EVENT UNKNOWN ACFT IN ZMA'S AIRSPACE. THE PROBABILITY OF THIS KIND OF EVENT OBVIOUSLY INCREASES WHEN UNKNOWN ACFT ENTER CLASS A AIRSPACE AND ATC IS FORCED TO PUT OTHER ACFT IN HOLDING IN ORDER TO SORT OUT THE UNKNOWN TFC IN THEIR AIRSPACE. I ASKED ZJX WHAT HAD INITIATED THE HOLDING REQUIREMENT AND HE RESPONDED 'ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE TFC IN MY SECTOR AND WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE.' THIS SEEMS TO IMPLY THAT THE SUSPECT ACFT CREW NEEDS TO BE TRAINED IN PROPER IFR/ATC PROCS BEFORE BEING ALLOWED TO OPERATE AGAIN IN CTLED AIRSPACE.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.