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Attributes | |
ACN | 607082 |
Time | |
Date | 200402 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 10000 msl bound upper : 12000 |
Environment | |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : mia.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 36 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : atape 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : medal 1 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : instructor oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 607082 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : returned to original clearance |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
Arriving over skrg with qualifying captain, we were cleared to 12000 ft and cleared for the atape 1 arrival with approach to runway 36. We teach to cross rng VOR at 180 KTS and flaps 5. Captain had the airplane on speed and altitude. The arrival asks for outbound leg of 215 degrees and cross 7 DME at or above 11000 ft. As we were approaching the VOR, we saw another aircraft passing below us. We heard the controller and aircraft crew speaking in spanish. From my experience at skrg, I believed that the other aircraft was cleared the medal 1 arrival. We proceeded as cleared descending to 11000 ft outbound on the 215 degree radial. We became aware that the other aircraft had turned inbound and was headed at us for their intercept of the localizer for runway 36. The lights of the aircraft got our complete and undivided attention. We then got a traffic advisory from TCAS. The controller started calling us in an excited voice and requesting us to maintain our altitude. We did. We were not going to descend to 10000 ft until inbound on the 180 degree radial. The other aircraft passed behind us and continued inbound now on the localizer for 36. We were cleared for the ILS 36. We landed with ample separation on landing. This arrival is really too tight with other aircraft as it is configured now. Skmd approach cannot issue vectors and they chose not to give us a turn in hold at aleja for separation. This arrival really needs some redesign to be used by multiple aircraft. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter advised that company policy for landing skrg is to be at 180 KTS, at 12000 ft over rng VOR inbound when executing the atape 1 arrival. Reporter stated that foreign air carrier's plan their speed over rng at 250 KTS. Reporter stated that he was aware of other foreign acrs arrival on approach frequency and believes that the controller just didn't plan/calculate for the other air carrier's overtake due to their speed differential, and was apparently startled, seeing the conflict about the same time the reporter received the TCAS TA alert.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ON ATAP 1 ARR TO SKRG UNDER SKMD APCH CTL, B757 FLT CREW EXECUTE A TCAS LEVELOFF DUE TO A CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER INBND FOREIGN ACR ON THE MEDAL 1 ARR.
Narrative: ARRIVING OVER SKRG WITH QUALIFYING CAPT, WE WERE CLEARED TO 12000 FT AND CLEARED FOR THE ATAPE 1 ARR WITH APCH TO RWY 36. WE TEACH TO CROSS RNG VOR AT 180 KTS AND FLAPS 5. CAPT HAD THE AIRPLANE ON SPEED AND ALT. THE ARR ASKS FOR OUTBOUND LEG OF 215 DEGS AND CROSS 7 DME AT OR ABOVE 11000 FT. AS WE WERE APCHING THE VOR, WE SAW ANOTHER ACFT PASSING BELOW US. WE HEARD THE CTLR AND ACFT CREW SPEAKING IN SPANISH. FROM MY EXPERIENCE AT SKRG, I BELIEVED THAT THE OTHER ACFT WAS CLEARED THE MEDAL 1 ARR. WE PROCEEDED AS CLEARED DSNDING TO 11000 FT OUTBOUND ON THE 215 DEG RADIAL. WE BECAME AWARE THAT THE OTHER ACFT HAD TURNED INBOUND AND WAS HEADED AT US FOR THEIR INTERCEPT OF THE LOCALIZER FOR RWY 36. THE LIGHTS OF THE ACFT GOT OUR COMPLETE AND UNDIVIDED ATTENTION. WE THEN GOT A TRAFFIC ADVISORY FROM TCAS. THE CTLR STARTED CALLING US IN AN EXCITED VOICE AND REQUESTING US TO MAINTAIN OUR ALT. WE DID. WE WERE NOT GOING TO DSND TO 10000 FT UNTIL INBOUND ON THE 180 DEG RADIAL. THE OTHER ACFT PASSED BEHIND US AND CONTINUED INBOUND NOW ON THE LOC FOR 36. WE WERE CLEARED FOR THE ILS 36. WE LANDED WITH AMPLE SEPARATION ON LNDG. THIS ARR IS REALLY TOO TIGHT WITH OTHER ACFT AS IT IS CONFIGURED NOW. SKMD APCH CANNOT ISSUE VECTORS AND THEY CHOSE NOT TO GIVE US A TURN IN HOLD AT ALEJA FOR SEPARATION. THIS ARR REALLY NEEDS SOME REDESIGN TO BE USED BY MULTIPLE ACFT. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR ADVISED THAT COMPANY POLICY FOR LNDG SKRG IS TO BE AT 180 KTS, AT 12000 FT OVER RNG VOR INBND WHEN EXECUTING THE ATAPE 1 ARR. RPTR STATED THAT FOREIGN ACR'S PLAN THEIR SPD OVER RNG AT 250 KTS. RPTR STATED THAT HE WAS AWARE OF OTHER FOREIGN ACRS ARR ON APCH FREQ AND BELIEVES THAT THE CTLR JUST DIDN'T PLAN/CALCULATE FOR THE OTHER ACR'S OVERTAKE DUE TO THEIR SPD DIFFERENTIAL, AND WAS APPARENTLY STARTLED, SEEING THE CONFLICT ABOUT THE SAME TIME THE RPTR RECEIVED THE TCAS TA ALERT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.