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Attributes | |
ACN | 613068 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : jfk.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : parked |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 800 |
ASRS Report | 613068 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | ground encounters : vehicle |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
After landing the first officer told operations we were on the ground, confirm gate number and they said yes and to shut #1 engine down and wait for ground power. As captain, I said, ask if they know that's the left and they confirmed and said it was a new procedure for the last week or couple of weeks. I said I need confirmation from the ramp supervisor that everyone out there knows about the wrong/incorrect engine being shut down because this is how people have gotten hurt in the past and then they verified, yes everyone knew. I told the first officer to keep looking out the window and if anyone started coming toward the engine to shut it down immediately. Maybe 20 seconds after we stopped the guy on a big loader crossed the redline he was behind and started accelerating toward the front cargo door and as I saw it too and yelled twice shut it down the first officer was shutting the engine down. I demanded a supervisor come to the cockpit and one to the ramp as I could not leave because of customs. The ramp supervisor said he was only repositioning but the first officer and I agreed we were looking at the front of his face and his eyes were fixed on the cargo door. #1 question is why doesn't the station tell flight operations when they change a procedure? Why did I fall into their trap of doing what they asked? I believe it was because I thought everyone else had been doing it for weeks like they told me.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777-200 CREW WAS TOLD TO SHUT DOWN THE #1 ENG WHEN TAXIING TO THE GATE. THE CAPT QUESTIONED THE ADVICE, AND WAS TOLD IT WAS PROPER. A GUY IN A BIG LOADER THEN CROSSED THE RED LINE IN FRONT OF THE #2 ENG.
Narrative: AFTER LNDG THE FO TOLD OPS WE WERE ON THE GND, CONFIRM GATE NUMBER AND THEY SAID YES AND TO SHUT #1 ENG DOWN AND WAIT FOR GND PWR. AS CAPT, I SAID, ASK IF THEY KNOW THAT'S THE L AND THEY CONFIRMED AND SAID IT WAS A NEW PROC FOR THE LAST WK OR COUPLE OF WKS. I SAID I NEED CONFIRMATION FROM THE RAMP SUPVR THAT EVERYONE OUT THERE KNOWS ABOUT THE WRONG/INCORRECT ENG BEING SHUT DOWN BECAUSE THIS IS HOW PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN HURT IN THE PAST AND THEN THEY VERIFIED, YES EVERYONE KNEW. I TOLD THE FO TO KEEP LOOKING OUT THE WINDOW AND IF ANYONE STARTED COMING TOWARD THE ENG TO SHUT IT DOWN IMMEDIATELY. MAYBE 20 SECONDS AFTER WE STOPPED THE GUY ON A BIG LOADER CROSSED THE REDLINE HE WAS BEHIND AND STARTED ACCELERATING TOWARD THE FRONT CARGO DOOR AND AS I SAW IT TOO AND YELLED TWICE SHUT IT DOWN THE FO WAS SHUTTING THE ENG DOWN. I DEMANDED A SUPVR COME TO THE COCKPIT AND ONE TO THE RAMP AS I COULD NOT LEAVE BECAUSE OF CUSTOMS. THE RAMP SUPVR SAID HE WAS ONLY REPOSITIONING BUT THE FO AND I AGREED WE WERE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF HIS FACE AND HIS EYES WERE FIXED ON THE CARGO DOOR. #1 QUESTION IS WHY DOESN'T THE STATION TELL FLT OPS WHEN THEY CHANGE A PROC? WHY DID I FALL INTO THEIR TRAP OF DOING WHAT THEY ASKED? I BELIEVE IT WAS BECAUSE I THOUGHT EVERYONE ELSE HAD BEEN DOING IT FOR WKS LIKE THEY TOLD ME.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.