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Attributes | |
ACN | 613370 |
Time | |
Date | 200403 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : rdu.airport |
State Reference | NC |
Altitude | msl single value : 8000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Rain Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rdu.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation V |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : rdu.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 55 flight time total : 6000 flight time type : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 613370 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 17000 vertical : 991 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were flying a vector at 9000 ft as cleared. We were never assigned an airspeed, but flew at 250 KIAS. About 25 mi from rdu we were given a clearance to maintain 8000 ft. About that time we encountered light rain and moderate turbulence on an intermittent basis. We reduced our speed to about 220 KTS. After a few mins we were expecting a turn south for descent and downwind for our approach. The approach controller asked our speed. I replied '215 KTS.' he gave us a heading to the south and told us to maintain our current speed. I then called the controller sand said that I realized that I should have told him about our speed change. He replied 'yes, especially since we had traffic 3 mi in trail.' the rest of the flight was uneventful. As far as I am aware, no evasive action was taken by the following airplane. In hindsight, I realize that at the time that we reduced speed we were distraction by WX and changing planned instrument approachs, set up briefing, and xfer of controls. In addition, while I realize that it is my responsibility to inform ATC of speed changes, it would have been helpful to know that there was an airplane close in trail in IMC and to keep the speed up. I know that it is not an ATC requirement, but I have had most controllers warn or heads up a situation like this in the past. (Ie, 'you have an xyz 3 mi in trail, advise of speed reduction' or 'keep the speed up.') we were only about 12-15 NM from the airport when this situation occurred.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C560 AT 8000 FT WITH RDU TRACON EXPERIENCED DELAY VECTORS BECAUSE OF UNRPTED SPD REDUCTION.
Narrative: WE WERE FLYING A VECTOR AT 9000 FT AS CLRED. WE WERE NEVER ASSIGNED AN AIRSPD, BUT FLEW AT 250 KIAS. ABOUT 25 MI FROM RDU WE WERE GIVEN A CLRNC TO MAINTAIN 8000 FT. ABOUT THAT TIME WE ENCOUNTERED LIGHT RAIN AND MODERATE TURB ON AN INTERMITTENT BASIS. WE REDUCED OUR SPD TO ABOUT 220 KTS. AFTER A FEW MINS WE WERE EXPECTING A TURN S FOR DSCNT AND DOWNWIND FOR OUR APCH. THE APCH CTLR ASKED OUR SPD. I REPLIED '215 KTS.' HE GAVE US A HDG TO THE S AND TOLD US TO MAINTAIN OUR CURRENT SPD. I THEN CALLED THE CTLR SAND SAID THAT I REALIZED THAT I SHOULD HAVE TOLD HIM ABOUT OUR SPD CHANGE. HE REPLIED 'YES, ESPECIALLY SINCE WE HAD TFC 3 MI IN TRAIL.' THE REST OF THE FLT WAS UNEVENTFUL. AS FAR AS I AM AWARE, NO EVASIVE ACTION WAS TAKEN BY THE FOLLOWING AIRPLANE. IN HINDSIGHT, I REALIZE THAT AT THE TIME THAT WE REDUCED SPD WE WERE DISTR BY WX AND CHANGING PLANNED INST APCHS, SET UP BRIEFING, AND XFER OF CTLS. IN ADDITION, WHILE I REALIZE THAT IT IS MY RESPONSIBILITY TO INFORM ATC OF SPD CHANGES, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN HELPFUL TO KNOW THAT THERE WAS AN AIRPLANE CLOSE IN TRAIL IN IMC AND TO KEEP THE SPD UP. I KNOW THAT IT IS NOT AN ATC REQUIREMENT, BUT I HAVE HAD MOST CTLRS WARN OR HEADS UP A SIT LIKE THIS IN THE PAST. (IE, 'YOU HAVE AN XYZ 3 MI IN TRAIL, ADVISE OF SPD REDUCTION' OR 'KEEP THE SPD UP.') WE WERE ONLY ABOUT 12-15 NM FROM THE ARPT WHEN THIS SIT OCCURRED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.