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Attributes | |
ACN | 613525 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : mohak |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 24000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Weather Elements | Thunderstorm Turbulence |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc tower : phx.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : arlin enroute airway : j2.airway |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 260 flight time total : 7005 flight time type : 3585 |
ASRS Report | 613525 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 270 flight time total : 11000 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 613526 |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : provided flight assist flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
En route to mohak on arlin arrival at FL270, I told captain to request 5-10 degrees right for thunderstorm over mohak, currently 60+ mi away and painting well. Captain asked ZLA, who instead delayed us and had us descend to cross mohak at FL250. I descended to FL250 soon after and as we got closer to mohak and the storm, ZLA handed us off to ZAB. Just prior to this, we started deviating to the south about 10 degrees, or 080 degree heading if memory serves me. I told the flight attendants to stay seated and made a PA to the passenger regarding the WX and the need to go around it. ZAB was immediately concerned with our southern deviation/heading and asked us to accept a 055 degree heading if possible, which would have taken us through the storm center. We said no, but told them we would only need the deviation to 080 degrees for 10 mi or so. We began correcting back to track on the arlin when ATC told us to squawk 7700, leading us to this report. By that time we were already beginning to correct back to track quite quickly, but we did as we were told with the squawk. We mentioned that we asked ZLA a long time back about the WX (tops FL290 from our guess and a PIREP heard earlier with ZLA). Abq mentioned that ZLA had been told to allow no deviations to the south and were not complying too well. We were soon given maximum forward speed and direct paynt on the arrival, and regained our previous squawk a few mins later on our request. The proximity of the storm to the 2 center's boundaries made this a coordination problem for them obviously. We gave ZLA plenty of time to coordinate, but all they did was give us a descent, which didn't help at all. We maintained as close to on track as safety allowed, and had ATC disapproved a requested deviation, we would have had to declare an emergency on our own, but they took care of that for us. Safety required a deviation, ATC delays in coordination required it to be southerly by the time we had to act. Unfortunately, that was not the preferred direction, but I don't fly through thunderstorms for anyone.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 AT FL240 DEVIATES AROUND WX AND ZAB DECLARES EMER.
Narrative: ENRTE TO MOHAK ON ARLIN ARR AT FL270, I TOLD CAPT TO REQUEST 5-10 DEGS R FOR TSTM OVER MOHAK, CURRENTLY 60+ MI AWAY AND PAINTING WELL. CAPT ASKED ZLA, WHO INSTEAD DELAYED US AND HAD US DSND TO CROSS MOHAK AT FL250. I DSNDED TO FL250 SOON AFTER AND AS WE GOT CLOSER TO MOHAK AND THE STORM, ZLA HANDED US OFF TO ZAB. JUST PRIOR TO THIS, WE STARTED DEVIATING TO THE S ABOUT 10 DEGS, OR 080 DEG HDG IF MEMORY SERVES ME. I TOLD THE FLT ATTENDANTS TO STAY SEATED AND MADE A PA TO THE PAX REGARDING THE WX AND THE NEED TO GO AROUND IT. ZAB WAS IMMEDIATELY CONCERNED WITH OUR SOUTHERN DEV/HDG AND ASKED US TO ACCEPT A 055 DEG HDG IF POSSIBLE, WHICH WOULD HAVE TAKEN US THROUGH THE STORM CENTER. WE SAID NO, BUT TOLD THEM WE WOULD ONLY NEED THE DEV TO 080 DEGS FOR 10 MI OR SO. WE BEGAN CORRECTING BACK TO TRACK ON THE ARLIN WHEN ATC TOLD US TO SQUAWK 7700, LEADING US TO THIS RPT. BY THAT TIME WE WERE ALREADY BEGINNING TO CORRECT BACK TO TRACK QUITE QUICKLY, BUT WE DID AS WE WERE TOLD WITH THE SQUAWK. WE MENTIONED THAT WE ASKED ZLA A LONG TIME BACK ABOUT THE WX (TOPS FL290 FROM OUR GUESS AND A PIREP HEARD EARLIER WITH ZLA). ABQ MENTIONED THAT ZLA HAD BEEN TOLD TO ALLOW NO DEVS TO THE S AND WERE NOT COMPLYING TOO WELL. WE WERE SOON GIVEN MAX FORWARD SPD AND DIRECT PAYNT ON THE ARR, AND REGAINED OUR PREVIOUS SQUAWK A FEW MINS LATER ON OUR REQUEST. THE PROX OF THE STORM TO THE 2 CTR'S BOUNDARIES MADE THIS A COORD PROB FOR THEM OBVIOUSLY. WE GAVE ZLA PLENTY OF TIME TO COORDINATE, BUT ALL THEY DID WAS GIVE US A DSCNT, WHICH DIDN'T HELP AT ALL. WE MAINTAINED AS CLOSE TO ON TRACK AS SAFETY ALLOWED, AND HAD ATC DISAPPROVED A REQUESTED DEV, WE WOULD HAVE HAD TO DECLARE AN EMER ON OUR OWN, BUT THEY TOOK CARE OF THAT FOR US. SAFETY REQUIRED A DEV, ATC DELAYS IN COORD REQUIRED IT TO BE SOUTHERLY BY THE TIME WE HAD TO ACT. UNFORTUNATELY, THAT WAS NOT THE PREFERRED DIRECTION, BUT I DON'T FLY THROUGH TSTMS FOR ANYONE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.