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Attributes | |
ACN | 614526 |
Time | |
Date | 200404 |
Day | Fri |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 10000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B777-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Make Model Name | Piper Aircraft Corp Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
ASRS Report | 614526 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical |
Independent Detector | atc equipment other atc equipment : radar aircraft equipment : tcas other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 1000 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
Level 10000 ft approximately 20 NM west of dfw northbound after runway 18L departure. We were cleared to 12000 ft. In climb, ATC notified us of traffic 12:30 O'clock position, less than 5 NM at 12500 ft VFR wbound piper. Did not have visual. Received TA on TCASII then passing 11600 ft received RA with an audio descend. Autoplt was off and I promptly responded as captain stated procedures. Seconds later, a piper went directly overhead at 1000 ft above us as indicated by TCASII. (It looked closer and I wonder what we looked like to him!) even though 500 ft was legal separation as provided by ATC, the TCASII descended us to 1000 ft below conflicting traffic. Given the mass and acceleration and climb rate of a light B777, 500 ft is not enough space to level comfortably below a light VFR aircraft. We would have preferred to stay at 10000 ft or 11000 ft. Kudos to ATC regardless, they did everything by the book, but 500 ft is too little separation in this case. Special thanks to TCASII software that instructed us to maintain at least 1000 ft of separation. And not to have to maneuver like that.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B777-200 CREW HAD A TCASII RA WITH A PIPER ACFT JUST ABOVE DFW CLASS B.
Narrative: LEVEL 10000 FT APPROX 20 NM W OF DFW NBOUND AFTER RWY 18L DEP. WE WERE CLRED TO 12000 FT. IN CLB, ATC NOTIFIED US OF TFC 12:30 O'CLOCK POS, LESS THAN 5 NM AT 12500 FT VFR WBOUND PIPER. DID NOT HAVE VISUAL. RECEIVED TA ON TCASII THEN PASSING 11600 FT RECEIVED RA WITH AN AUDIO DSND. AUTOPLT WAS OFF AND I PROMPTLY RESPONDED AS CAPT STATED PROCS. SECONDS LATER, A PIPER WENT DIRECTLY OVERHEAD AT 1000 FT ABOVE US AS INDICATED BY TCASII. (IT LOOKED CLOSER AND I WONDER WHAT WE LOOKED LIKE TO HIM!) EVEN THOUGH 500 FT WAS LEGAL SEPARATION AS PROVIDED BY ATC, THE TCASII DSNDED US TO 1000 FT BELOW CONFLICTING TFC. GIVEN THE MASS AND ACCELERATION AND CLB RATE OF A LIGHT B777, 500 FT IS NOT ENOUGH SPACE TO LEVEL COMFORTABLY BELOW A LIGHT VFR ACFT. WE WOULD HAVE PREFERRED TO STAY AT 10000 FT OR 11000 FT. KUDOS TO ATC REGARDLESS, THEY DID EVERYTHING BY THE BOOK, BUT 500 FT IS TOO LITTLE SEPARATION IN THIS CASE. SPECIAL THANKS TO TCASII SOFTWARE THAT INSTRUCTED US TO MAINTAIN AT LEAST 1000 FT OF SEPARATION. AND NOT TO HAVE TO MANEUVER LIKE THAT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.