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Attributes | |
ACN | 617132 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : iwa.vortac |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 29000 |
Environment | |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : vacating altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : maxxo |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | climbout : vacating altitude climbout : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | departure sid : maxxon |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 17000 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 617132 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft ATC Human Performance Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance Company |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : zab.artcc |
Chart | sid : maxxo one |
Narrative:
After adyan on maxxo one, we inquired twice as to how long we would be on the 055 degree heading. The second time we asked, we were closing on the sjn 078 degree radial, and the controller cleared us direct cnx. I do not believe any clearance deviation occurred. However the departure procedure chart is ambiguous, in that it shows a radar vector symbol after adyan, and the text states radar vector to join sjn 078 degree radial. The radar vector is not issued by the controller, so how can it be a radar vector? Also, the FMGC (flight management guidance computer), when this departure procedure is selected from the database, will not intercept the sjn 078 degree radial. I think the fact that the aircraft behind us (another air carrier) experienced almost identical confusion illustrates the ambiguity of this departure procedure chart.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 PIC QUESTIONS THE VALIDITY OF THE CHARTING AND THE SID PROC AS DEPICTED ON THE MAXXO ONE CHART WHEN ON AN INDETERMINATE HDG THAT WAS NOT ACCEPTED BY FLT CREW AS A VECTOR, WHEN 183 MI NE OF IWA VORTAC, AZ.
Narrative: AFTER ADYAN ON MAXXO ONE, WE INQUIRED TWICE AS TO HOW LONG WE WOULD BE ON THE 055 DEG HDG. THE SECOND TIME WE ASKED, WE WERE CLOSING ON THE SJN 078 DEG RADIAL, AND THE CTLR CLRED US DIRECT CNX. I DO NOT BELIEVE ANY CLRNC DEV OCCURRED. HOWEVER THE DEP PROC CHART IS AMBIGUOUS, IN THAT IT SHOWS A RADAR VECTOR SYMBOL AFTER ADYAN, AND THE TEXT STATES RADAR VECTOR TO JOIN SJN 078 DEG RADIAL. THE RADAR VECTOR IS NOT ISSUED BY THE CTLR, SO HOW CAN IT BE A RADAR VECTOR? ALSO, THE FMGC (FLT MGMNT GUIDANCE COMPUTER), WHEN THIS DEP PROC IS SELECTED FROM THE DATABASE, WILL NOT INTERCEPT THE SJN 078 DEG RADIAL. I THINK THE FACT THAT THE ACFT BEHIND US (ANOTHER ACR) EXPERIENCED ALMOST IDENTICAL CONFUSION ILLUSTRATES THE AMBIGUITY OF THIS DEP PROC CHART.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.