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Attributes | |
ACN | 617409 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | intersection : bearz |
State Reference | IN |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 1000 agl bound upper : 10968 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Turbulence Thunderstorm Windshear |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : c90.tracon tower : ord.tower tower : lax.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B767-300 and 300 ER |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 9r |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : go around |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 617409 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 617408 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : overshoot inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter other non adherence : company policies other anomaly other anomaly other anomaly other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : provided flight assist controller : issued new clearance flight crew : exited adverse environment flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : executed go around |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Weather Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Environmental Factor |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Narrative:
Inbound to ord. Approaching bearz, we had to deviate left off course (west) due to WX buildup at bearz. We turned to a 240 degree heading and advised ATC. While on that heading, we got a descent from 11000 ft to 10000 ft and ATC directed us to turn to 290 degree heading to get back between 2 cells. As we were deviating around the WX and attempting to comply, we decided that the 290 degree heading was not acceptable due to the nearness of the 2 cells and began a turn back to the left. At that time, we were struck by lightning and began a more aggressive turn away from the WX to the left and descended to 9500 ft during this deviation. Immediately, the controller cleared us to 7000 ft. (Due to excessive airspeed of 300 KTS, we actually climbed to 10300 ft while bleeding off that speed and then resumed descend to 7000 ft -- WX was definitely a factor influencing aircraft altitude as we were encountering a windshear associated with the cell.) the controller began giving us additional vectors that we were unable to comply with due to the WX and we instead advised him on the headings we needed. As soon as we were able to comply with his instructions, we did, and informed him of our actions. Our deviations caused us to have a very tight downwind for the runway 9R approach and when the controller turned us to intercept runway 9R localizer, we were high and tight. We attempted to get down to profile, but were unstable at 1000 ft with too much speed and above GS. We executed a go around and were vectored around for the ILS once again to runway 9R. This time, we were able to fly a stabilized approach and broke out at minimums (200 ft overcast) and continued to landing. The captain and I had a very constructive discussion on what we could have improved on. We agreed that we should have been more aggressive initially with ATC distancing ourselves further away from the cell rather than try to accommodate ATC. Although we became very proactive after encountering WX, it would have been infinitely better to do that before the WX. Fatigue after flying all night may have influenced our complacency to accept ATC instructions initially. Supplemental information from acn 617408: we tried to confirm the same clearance visually the corridor appeared that it would require a 360 degree heading to get through. As we got to the end of the first cell and used heading select to go from 260 degrees to 360 degrees to turn radius was insufficient to maintain distance from the most northerly cell. I disconnected the autoplt and increased the turn to 30 degrees to try and get into the corridor, but we immediately took a lightning bolt. I then abandoned the turn and tried to go back left to clear the northern cell. We entered the northern cell and got into shear and I lost 500 ft. We told ATC we had to come back to the left and he cleared us to 7000 ft. I think the lightning bolt shook me to the point I had slowed reflexes and I got behind. Also thinking about trying to comply with ATC and go between 2 cells was a bad decision.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF B767-300 ENCOUNTER TURB AND WX CELLS ON ARR TO ORD. UNSTABILIZED APCH AND GAR RESULT.
Narrative: INBOUND TO ORD. APCHING BEARZ, WE HAD TO DEVIATE L OFF COURSE (W) DUE TO WX BUILDUP AT BEARZ. WE TURNED TO A 240 DEG HDG AND ADVISED ATC. WHILE ON THAT HDG, WE GOT A DSCNT FROM 11000 FT TO 10000 FT AND ATC DIRECTED US TO TURN TO 290 DEG HDG TO GET BACK BTWN 2 CELLS. AS WE WERE DEVIATING AROUND THE WX AND ATTEMPTING TO COMPLY, WE DECIDED THAT THE 290 DEG HDG WAS NOT ACCEPTABLE DUE TO THE NEARNESS OF THE 2 CELLS AND BEGAN A TURN BACK TO THE L. AT THAT TIME, WE WERE STRUCK BY LIGHTNING AND BEGAN A MORE AGGRESSIVE TURN AWAY FROM THE WX TO THE L AND DSNDED TO 9500 FT DURING THIS DEV. IMMEDIATELY, THE CTLR CLRED US TO 7000 FT. (DUE TO EXCESSIVE AIRSPD OF 300 KTS, WE ACTUALLY CLBED TO 10300 FT WHILE BLEEDING OFF THAT SPD AND THEN RESUMED DSND TO 7000 FT -- WX WAS DEFINITELY A FACTOR INFLUENCING ACFT ALT AS WE WERE ENCOUNTERING A WINDSHEAR ASSOCIATED WITH THE CELL.) THE CTLR BEGAN GIVING US ADDITIONAL VECTORS THAT WE WERE UNABLE TO COMPLY WITH DUE TO THE WX AND WE INSTEAD ADVISED HIM ON THE HDGS WE NEEDED. AS SOON AS WE WERE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH HIS INSTRUCTIONS, WE DID, AND INFORMED HIM OF OUR ACTIONS. OUR DEVS CAUSED US TO HAVE A VERY TIGHT DOWNWIND FOR THE RWY 9R APCH AND WHEN THE CTLR TURNED US TO INTERCEPT RWY 9R LOC, WE WERE HIGH AND TIGHT. WE ATTEMPTED TO GET DOWN TO PROFILE, BUT WERE UNSTABLE AT 1000 FT WITH TOO MUCH SPD AND ABOVE GS. WE EXECUTED A GAR AND WERE VECTORED AROUND FOR THE ILS ONCE AGAIN TO RWY 9R. THIS TIME, WE WERE ABLE TO FLY A STABILIZED APCH AND BROKE OUT AT MINIMUMS (200 FT OVCST) AND CONTINUED TO LNDG. THE CAPT AND I HAD A VERY CONSTRUCTIVE DISCUSSION ON WHAT WE COULD HAVE IMPROVED ON. WE AGREED THAT WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN MORE AGGRESSIVE INITIALLY WITH ATC DISTANCING OURSELVES FURTHER AWAY FROM THE CELL RATHER THAN TRY TO ACCOMMODATE ATC. ALTHOUGH WE BECAME VERY PROACTIVE AFTER ENCOUNTERING WX, IT WOULD HAVE BEEN INFINITELY BETTER TO DO THAT BEFORE THE WX. FATIGUE AFTER FLYING ALL NIGHT MAY HAVE INFLUENCED OUR COMPLACENCY TO ACCEPT ATC INSTRUCTIONS INITIALLY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 617408: WE TRIED TO CONFIRM THE SAME CLRNC VISUALLY THE CORRIDOR APPEARED THAT IT WOULD REQUIRE A 360 DEG HDG TO GET THROUGH. AS WE GOT TO THE END OF THE FIRST CELL AND USED HDG SELECT TO GO FROM 260 DEGS TO 360 DEGS TO TURN RADIUS WAS INSUFFICIENT TO MAINTAIN DISTANCE FROM THE MOST NORTHERLY CELL. I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND INCREASED THE TURN TO 30 DEGS TO TRY AND GET INTO THE CORRIDOR, BUT WE IMMEDIATELY TOOK A LIGHTNING BOLT. I THEN ABANDONED THE TURN AND TRIED TO GO BACK L TO CLR THE NORTHERN CELL. WE ENTERED THE NORTHERN CELL AND GOT INTO SHEAR AND I LOST 500 FT. WE TOLD ATC WE HAD TO COME BACK TO THE L AND HE CLRED US TO 7000 FT. I THINK THE LIGHTNING BOLT SHOOK ME TO THE POINT I HAD SLOWED REFLEXES AND I GOT BEHIND. ALSO THINKING ABOUT TRYING TO COMPLY WITH ATC AND GO BTWN 2 CELLS WAS A BAD DECISION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.