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Attributes | |
ACN | 621497 |
Time | |
Date | 200405 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : mev.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 5500 msl bound upper : 5700 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : ord.tower |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer II/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : traffic pattern |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : private |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10.4 flight time total : 47.8 flight time type : 28.8 |
ASRS Report | 621497 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
I was inbound to minden-tahoe airport. I made a position report over the 'ski ponds' at 5700 ft MSL (pattern altitude) that I was entering on a 45 degree entry to left downwind runway 34. As I was entering downwind runway 34 abeam the runway 16 numbers, I spotted another aircraft at 11 O'clock position passing left to right, ahead of me, at a lower altitude. I didn't take evasive action because it was apparent to me that we were not on a collision course. The other aircraft climbed to the same altitude as I, flying a wider pattern. The other aircraft transmitted on CTAF that I almost hit him. I transmitted that I had visual contact of the other aircraft. The other aircraft transmitted that I did not make a position report and he was unaware of my presence. I transmitted that I did make a position report over the 'ski ponds'. After landing, I spoke in person with the pilot of the other aircraft. I told him that I was unaware that his aircraft was in the pattern. He stated that he did not announce his intentions over CTAF. Conclusion: when entering the pattern, I believe that it would be safer to enter the downwind leg abeam midfield rather than abeam the runway numbers. This would reduce the chances of aircraft converging from different altitudes. I also believe it would be easier to determine flight paths of converging aircraft at abeam midfield, because the aircraft in the pattern would be in straight and level flight, rather than a climbing turn from crosswind to downwind.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA28 PLT EXPERIENCED CONFLICTION WITH OTHER VFR ACFT LNDG AT MEV UTILIZING CTAF PROCS.
Narrative: I WAS INBOUND TO MINDEN-TAHOE ARPT. I MADE A POS RPT OVER THE 'SKI PONDS' AT 5700 FT MSL (PATTERN ALT) THAT I WAS ENTERING ON A 45 DEG ENTRY TO L DOWNWIND RWY 34. AS I WAS ENTERING DOWNWIND RWY 34 ABEAM THE RWY 16 NUMBERS, I SPOTTED ANOTHER ACFT AT 11 O'CLOCK POS PASSING L TO R, AHEAD OF ME, AT A LOWER ALT. I DIDN'T TAKE EVASIVE ACTION BECAUSE IT WAS APPARENT TO ME THAT WE WERE NOT ON A COLLISION COURSE. THE OTHER ACFT CLBED TO THE SAME ALT AS I, FLYING A WIDER PATTERN. THE OTHER ACFT XMITTED ON CTAF THAT I ALMOST HIT HIM. I XMITTED THAT I HAD VISUAL CONTACT OF THE OTHER ACFT. THE OTHER ACFT XMITTED THAT I DID NOT MAKE A POS RPT AND HE WAS UNAWARE OF MY PRESENCE. I XMITTED THAT I DID MAKE A POS RPT OVER THE 'SKI PONDS'. AFTER LNDG, I SPOKE IN PERSON WITH THE PLT OF THE OTHER ACFT. I TOLD HIM THAT I WAS UNAWARE THAT HIS ACFT WAS IN THE PATTERN. HE STATED THAT HE DID NOT ANNOUNCE HIS INTENTIONS OVER CTAF. CONCLUSION: WHEN ENTERING THE PATTERN, I BELIEVE THAT IT WOULD BE SAFER TO ENTER THE DOWNWIND LEG ABEAM MIDFIELD RATHER THAN ABEAM THE RWY NUMBERS. THIS WOULD REDUCE THE CHANCES OF ACFT CONVERGING FROM DIFFERENT ALTS. I ALSO BELIEVE IT WOULD BE EASIER TO DETERMINE FLT PATHS OF CONVERGING ACFT AT ABEAM MIDFIELD, BECAUSE THE ACFT IN THE PATTERN WOULD BE IN STRAIGHT AND LEVEL FLT, RATHER THAN A CLBING TURN FROM XWIND TO DOWNWIND.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.