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Attributes | |
ACN | 623275 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : d10.tracon |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : bonham |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Twin Otter DHC-6 |
Operating Under FAR Part | other : 105 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise : enroute altitude change |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
ASRS Report | 623275 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe inflight encounter : skydivers non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb other other : 3 |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | FAA Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Airspace Structure |
Narrative:
Descending on bonham arrival in dfw. ATC had cleared us to descend to 11000 ft. WX was excellent with good visibility. During descent, ATC called out traffic near bonham circling and climbing on the arrival. We saw the traffic about 10 miles out. It turned out to be a twin otter conducting skydiving operations. The controller called out us as traffic to the twin otter and informed that aircraft that we were descending to 11000 ft. The twin otter continued to orbit and climb right in the middle of the arrival. No attempts were made by the twin otter to turn off the arrival or stop its climb. I informed ATC that we had traffic in sight and that we were not comfortable with the separation. ATC told us that if we wanted we could slow our descent to 11000 ft in order to stay clear of the traffic. At no time did ATC ask the twin otter to stop his climb. We leveled off around 12000 ft, but the twin otter continued his climb and his orbit on the arrival. At no time did the twin otter maneuver to avoid us. After the initial traffic call, ATC made no further attempt to keep us clear of the aircraft until we question them and then their attempt at separation was limited to weakly telling us we could simply slow our descent. After we were clear of the traffic I commented to ATC that the arrival into dfw was a bad place to conduct skydiving operations. The controller told us that it was politics and that the skydiving company was there before the arrival and that they needed to make money. At no time did the controller show any concern for the safety of our aircraft or our passenger. We did not get a TCAS RA because of our maneuvering. We had the aircraft in sight the entire time and avoided it. However, I feel that the skydiving operation had no regard for aircraft descending on the arrival and that ATC was creating an extremely dangerous situation just so that the twin otter was in no way inconvenienced performing its drop. In the same situation if the aircraft on the arrival did not see this twin otter or did not realize that despite traffic calls from ATC that this aircraft was continuing to orbit on the arrival and climb, a midair could be a definite possibility.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DFW APCH CTLR EXCHANGED TFC BETWEEN A B737 CREW AND A TWIN OTTER PLT CONDUCTING SKYDIVING OPS NEAR THE CTR OF THE BONHAM ARR AT 12000 FT.
Narrative: DSNDING ON BONHAM ARR IN DFW. ATC HAD CLRED US TO DSND TO 11000 FT. WX WAS EXCELLENT WITH GOOD VISIBILITY. DURING DSCNT, ATC CALLED OUT TFC NEAR BONHAM CIRCLING AND CLBING ON THE ARR. WE SAW THE TFC ABOUT 10 MILES OUT. IT TURNED OUT TO BE A TWIN OTTER CONDUCTING SKYDIVING OPS. THE CTLR CALLED OUT US AS TFC TO THE TWIN OTTER AND INFORMED THAT ACFT THAT WE WERE DSNDING TO 11000 FT. THE TWIN OTTER CONTINUED TO ORBIT AND CLB RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE ARR. NO ATTEMPTS WERE MADE BY THE TWIN OTTER TO TURN OFF THE ARR OR STOP ITS CLB. I INFORMED ATC THAT WE HAD TFC IN SIGHT AND THAT WE WERE NOT COMFORTABLE WITH THE SEPARATION. ATC TOLD US THAT IF WE WANTED WE COULD SLOW OUR DSCNT TO 11000 FT IN ORDER TO STAY CLEAR OF THE TFC. AT NO TIME DID ATC ASK THE TWIN OTTER TO STOP HIS CLB. WE LEVELED OFF AROUND 12000 FT, BUT THE TWIN OTTER CONTINUED HIS CLB AND HIS ORBIT ON THE ARR. AT NO TIME DID THE TWIN OTTER MANEUVER TO AVOID US. AFTER THE INITIAL TFC CALL, ATC MADE NO FURTHER ATTEMPT TO KEEP US CLEAR OF THE ACFT UNTIL WE QUESTION THEM AND THEN THEIR ATTEMPT AT SEPARATION WAS LIMITED TO WEAKLY TELLING US WE COULD SIMPLY SLOW OUR DSCNT. AFTER WE WERE CLEAR OF THE TFC I COMMENTED TO ATC THAT THE ARR INTO DFW WAS A BAD PLACE TO CONDUCT SKYDIVING OPS. THE CTLR TOLD US THAT IT WAS POLITICS AND THAT THE SKYDIVING COMPANY WAS THERE BEFORE THE ARR AND THAT THEY NEEDED TO MAKE MONEY. AT NO TIME DID THE CTLR SHOW ANY CONCERN FOR THE SAFETY OF OUR ACFT OR OUR PAX. WE DID NOT GET A TCAS RA BECAUSE OF OUR MANEUVERING. WE HAD THE ACFT IN SIGHT THE ENTIRE TIME AND AVOIDED IT. HOWEVER, I FEEL THAT THE SKYDIVING OP HAD NO REGARD FOR ACFT DSNDING ON THE ARR AND THAT ATC WAS CREATING AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS SIT JUST SO THAT THE TWIN OTTER WAS IN NO WAY INCONVENIENCED PERFORMING ITS DROP. IN THE SAME SIT IF THE ACFT ON THE ARR DID NOT SEE THIS TWIN OTTER OR DID NOT REALIZE THAT DESPITE TFC CALLS FROM ATC THAT THIS ACFT WAS CONTINUING TO ORBIT ON THE ARR AND CLB, A MIDAIR COULD BE A DEFINITE POSSIBILITY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.