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Attributes | |
ACN | 624617 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Wed |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p31.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | DC-9 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : cle.tower |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : flight engineer pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 10000 flight time type : 4000 |
ASRS Report | 624617 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Airport |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
I landed on runway 24C at cleveland-hopkins in VMC. At about 60 KTS the captain took control of the aircraft. Tower said to exit at taxiway south and hold short of runway 24L. We had planned our deceleration so as to exit at taxiway K and asked if taxiway K was ok. Tower then said to exit at taxiway K and hold short of runway 24L. The problem is that the 2 runway obstacle free zones overlap on taxiway K such that one cannot be on taxiway K between the runways without being on one or, in our case, both runways. So, as we are exiting and realizing the hold short lines are not as we were expecting, tower clears an aircraft for takeoff on runway 24L. We then reported that we were on the runway. Tower responded that we were clear and the aircraft continued its takeoff. We of course didn't hit or you would have heard about this on cnn, but this is a flawed operation and I worry that someday a major accident will occur. This non-standard confign is shown on the 10-9A page so I could have been more familiar, but let's face it, tower is telling me to do it. How often do I go to cle versus how often are cle tower controllers at cleveland-hopkins? They should know better and should not have given us those instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A DC9 CROSSES THE HOLD SHORT LINE FOR RWY 24L AFTER LNDG ON RWY 24C AT CLE. TWR IS ADVISED BUT ALLOWS AN ACFT ON TKOF ROLL ON RWY 24L TO CONTINUE.
Narrative: I LANDED ON RWY 24C AT CLEVELAND-HOPKINS IN VMC. AT ABOUT 60 KTS THE CAPT TOOK CTL OF THE ACFT. TWR SAID TO EXIT AT TXWY S AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24L. WE HAD PLANNED OUR DECELERATION SO AS TO EXIT AT TXWY K AND ASKED IF TXWY K WAS OK. TWR THEN SAID TO EXIT AT TXWY K AND HOLD SHORT OF RWY 24L. THE PROB IS THAT THE 2 RWY OBSTACLE FREE ZONES OVERLAP ON TXWY K SUCH THAT ONE CANNOT BE ON TXWY K BTWN THE RWYS WITHOUT BEING ON ONE OR, IN OUR CASE, BOTH RWYS. SO, AS WE ARE EXITING AND REALIZING THE HOLD SHORT LINES ARE NOT AS WE WERE EXPECTING, TWR CLRS AN ACFT FOR TKOF ON RWY 24L. WE THEN RPTED THAT WE WERE ON THE RWY. TWR RESPONDED THAT WE WERE CLR AND THE ACFT CONTINUED ITS TKOF. WE OF COURSE DIDN'T HIT OR YOU WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THIS ON CNN, BUT THIS IS A FLAWED OP AND I WORRY THAT SOMEDAY A MAJOR ACCIDENT WILL OCCUR. THIS NON-STANDARD CONFIGN IS SHOWN ON THE 10-9A PAGE SO I COULD HAVE BEEN MORE FAMILIAR, BUT LET'S FACE IT, TWR IS TELLING ME TO DO IT. HOW OFTEN DO I GO TO CLE VERSUS HOW OFTEN ARE CLE TWR CTLRS AT CLEVELAND-HOPKINS? THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER AND SHOULD NOT HAVE GIVEN US THOSE INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.