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Attributes | |
ACN | 624772 |
Time | |
Date | 200407 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dts.airport |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 500 msl bound upper : 800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : vps.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
Make Model Name | Shorts SD-330-200/Utt/Sherpa |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 135 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 194 flight time total : 3460 flight time type : 137 |
ASRS Report | 624772 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground less severe non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5400 vertical : 500 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Airport Chart Or Publication Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were departing dts on an IFR clearance. After engine start-up, I called destin traffic to advise we were taxiing to runway 14. Then, while monitoring CTAF, I picked up our clearance from eglin clearance on 127.7. While the captain taxied the aircraft, I copied our clearance, read it back, and called eglin departure control, advising them we were #1 for departure. We then received our release from eglin to depart dts on runway heading up to 2000 ft, 'traffic permitting.' all the while we did not hear any other aircraft on the CTAF frequency nor observe any other aircraft in the pattern. My captain later told me he observed a learjet positioned at the opposite end of the runway and so he made an additional call to eglin departure, asking them if they had any other aircraft released from dts other than us at that time. They told us they did not. Also, my captain stated that he observed an aircraft in the distance which appeared to be a DC9 on approach into okaloosa regional airport, a nearby airport with commercial flts. The only other traffic that eglin departure advised us of was an aircraft '1 mi north of the field.' after receiving this information, I called dts CTAF and announced that we were taking the active runway 14 for a straight out departure. Having observed no other traffic and hearing no one on the CTAF frequency, we taxied onto the runway and I began to push up the power levers for takeoff power. The captain (PNF at that time), made the 'lights, propellers fuel and time,' call out and we began our takeoff roll. As we were approximately 1/3 of the way down the runway and reaching 70 KTS we heard a gulfstream call on the CTAF frequency that he was 'already on short final' and something like, 'you really need to be listening up.' my captain tried to look around over his shoulder -- and then advised me to continue the takeoff, which I did. My captain transmitted that it was the 'first call that we had heard' and that 'you need to talk more!' my captain also stated on the frequency that we were already on the takeoff roll and would be well clear by the time he touched down. The gulfstream pilot made another comment about watching out for traffic and something else about listening to the frequency. We took off without any unusual power applications or maneuvering. We found out later on, that the gulfstream pilot had made several calls earlier on 122.8, the old unicom/CTAF frequency. I think that the amount of traffic and type of jet aircraft that operate from dts airport, warrant the opening of an ATC control tower. Just my opinion.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: GND CONFLICT AT A NON TWR ARPT WHEN A DEP SH33 PERFORMS A TKOF WITH A G4 ON SHORT FINAL AT DTS.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING DTS ON AN IFR CLRNC. AFTER ENG START-UP, I CALLED DESTIN TFC TO ADVISE WE WERE TAXIING TO RWY 14. THEN, WHILE MONITORING CTAF, I PICKED UP OUR CLRNC FROM EGLIN CLRNC ON 127.7. WHILE THE CAPT TAXIED THE ACFT, I COPIED OUR CLRNC, READ IT BACK, AND CALLED EGLIN DEP CTL, ADVISING THEM WE WERE #1 FOR DEP. WE THEN RECEIVED OUR RELEASE FROM EGLIN TO DEPART DTS ON RWY HDG UP TO 2000 FT, 'TFC PERMITTING.' ALL THE WHILE WE DID NOT HEAR ANY OTHER ACFT ON THE CTAF FREQ NOR OBSERVE ANY OTHER ACFT IN THE PATTERN. MY CAPT LATER TOLD ME HE OBSERVED A LEARJET POSITIONED AT THE OPPOSITE END OF THE RWY AND SO HE MADE AN ADDITIONAL CALL TO EGLIN DEP, ASKING THEM IF THEY HAD ANY OTHER ACFT RELEASED FROM DTS OTHER THAN US AT THAT TIME. THEY TOLD US THEY DID NOT. ALSO, MY CAPT STATED THAT HE OBSERVED AN ACFT IN THE DISTANCE WHICH APPEARED TO BE A DC9 ON APCH INTO OKALOOSA REGIONAL ARPT, A NEARBY ARPT WITH COMMERCIAL FLTS. THE ONLY OTHER TFC THAT EGLIN DEP ADVISED US OF WAS AN ACFT '1 MI N OF THE FIELD.' AFTER RECEIVING THIS INFO, I CALLED DTS CTAF AND ANNOUNCED THAT WE WERE TAKING THE ACTIVE RWY 14 FOR A STRAIGHT OUT DEP. HAVING OBSERVED NO OTHER TFC AND HEARING NO ONE ON THE CTAF FREQ, WE TAXIED ONTO THE RWY AND I BEGAN TO PUSH UP THE PWR LEVERS FOR TKOF PWR. THE CAPT (PNF AT THAT TIME), MADE THE 'LIGHTS, PROPS FUEL AND TIME,' CALL OUT AND WE BEGAN OUR TKOF ROLL. AS WE WERE APPROX 1/3 OF THE WAY DOWN THE RWY AND REACHING 70 KTS WE HEARD A GULFSTREAM CALL ON THE CTAF FREQ THAT HE WAS 'ALREADY ON SHORT FINAL' AND SOMETHING LIKE, 'YOU REALLY NEED TO BE LISTENING UP.' MY CAPT TRIED TO LOOK AROUND OVER HIS SHOULDER -- AND THEN ADVISED ME TO CONTINUE THE TKOF, WHICH I DID. MY CAPT XMITTED THAT IT WAS THE 'FIRST CALL THAT WE HAD HEARD' AND THAT 'YOU NEED TO TALK MORE!' MY CAPT ALSO STATED ON THE FREQ THAT WE WERE ALREADY ON THE TKOF ROLL AND WOULD BE WELL CLR BY THE TIME HE TOUCHED DOWN. THE GULFSTREAM PLT MADE ANOTHER COMMENT ABOUT WATCHING OUT FOR TFC AND SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT LISTENING TO THE FREQ. WE TOOK OFF WITHOUT ANY UNUSUAL PWR APPLICATIONS OR MANEUVERING. WE FOUND OUT LATER ON, THAT THE GULFSTREAM PLT HAD MADE SEVERAL CALLS EARLIER ON 122.8, THE OLD UNICOM/CTAF FREQ. I THINK THAT THE AMOUNT OF TFC AND TYPE OF JET ACFT THAT OPERATE FROM DTS ARPT, WARRANT THE OPENING OF AN ATC CTL TWR. JUST MY OPINION.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.