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Attributes | |
ACN | 627331 |
Time | |
Date | 200408 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : las.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : position and hold |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 627331 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were cleared on to runway 25R to hold for takeoff and advised that another aircraft would cross downfield. Traffic crossed downfield and then an air carrier Y was cleared to line up and hold on runway 25R at intersection C3, we were holding at the end of the runway. I think this not only is a bad idea it is, in my opinion, unsafe to put 2 aircraft, on the same runway at the same time especially since it does not save anything. In fact I think it would be safer if we stopped the 'on to hold period' and just cleared aircraft, to take off from the #1 position and did all rolling takeoffs, period.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B757 CAPT IN POS ON RWY 25R AT LAX IS UPSET WHEN THE LCL CTLR PUTS A SECOND ACFT IN POS AT AN INTXN ON THE SAME RWY.
Narrative: WE WERE CLRED ON TO RWY 25R TO HOLD FOR TKOF AND ADVISED THAT ANOTHER ACFT WOULD CROSS DOWNFIELD. TFC CROSSED DOWNFIELD AND THEN AN ACR Y WAS CLRED TO LINE UP AND HOLD ON RWY 25R AT INTXN C3, WE WERE HOLDING AT THE END OF THE RWY. I THINK THIS NOT ONLY IS A BAD IDEA IT IS, IN MY OPINION, UNSAFE TO PUT 2 ACFT, ON THE SAME RWY AT THE SAME TIME ESPECIALLY SINCE IT DOES NOT SAVE ANYTHING. IN FACT I THINK IT WOULD BE SAFER IF WE STOPPED THE 'ON TO HOLD PERIOD' AND JUST CLRED ACFT, TO TAKE OFF FROM THE #1 POS AND DID ALL ROLLING TKOFS, PERIOD.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.