Self-inflicted near midair collision between a C337 and a DC3 in the traffic pattern after sight-seeing rides in both aircraft near the airport at sln.

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Attributes
ACN	633503
Time
Date	200410
Day	Sun
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	airport : sln.airport
State Reference	KS
Altitude	msl single value : 2100
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tower : sln.tower artcc : zkc.artcc
Operator	common carrier : charter
Make Model Name	DC-3/Dakota/Skytrain
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 119
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Flight Plan	None
Aircraft 2
Controlling Facilities	tower : sln.tower
Operator	common carrier : charter
Make Model Name	Cessna 340/340A
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 119
Flight Phase	descent : approach
Route In Use	approach : traffic pattern
Flight Plan	None
Person 1
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Qualification	pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : cfi pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 29300 flight time type : 2100
ASRS Report	633503
Person 2
Affiliation	company : charter
Function	flight crew : single pilot
Events
Anomaly	conflict : nmac non adherence : required legal separation non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued advisory flight crew : took evasive action
Miss Distance	horizontal : 150 vertical : 0
Supplementary
Problem Areas	Flight Crew Human Performance
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

I and the C337 were giving sight-seeing rides over salina, ks. It was briefed that the C337 would follow in trail. When we returned to the airport, I crossed over the airport from east to west in the DC8 to enter a right downwind for runway 17. As I started my right turn, the C337 had pulled up along my right side -- this unknown to me as it has not been briefed, about 100-150 ft at my 2:30 O'clock position. What a shock it was as I was about to turn into him. I instead broke left to avoid what looked to me to be a dangerous situation. I think ATC was a bit startled too, but probably thought we had planned it that way. He said, 'I guess you all are going to take responsibility for your own separation.' I did not reply, but I did put more separation between me and the C337. The C337 pilot thought he was doing something really cool, but my feeling is that you don't get that close to someone without talking it over first.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: SELF-INFLICTED NMAC BTWN A C337 AND A DC3 IN THE TFC PATTERN AFTER SIGHT-SEEING RIDES IN BOTH ACFT NEAR THE ARPT AT SLN.

Narrative: I AND THE C337 WERE GIVING SIGHT-SEEING RIDES OVER SALINA, KS. IT WAS BRIEFED THAT THE C337 WOULD FOLLOW IN TRAIL. WHEN WE RETURNED TO THE ARPT, I CROSSED OVER THE ARPT FROM E TO W IN THE DC8 TO ENTER A R DOWNWIND FOR RWY 17. AS I STARTED MY R TURN, THE C337 HAD PULLED UP ALONG MY R SIDE -- THIS UNKNOWN TO ME AS IT HAS NOT BEEN BRIEFED, ABOUT 100-150 FT AT MY 2:30 O'CLOCK POS. WHAT A SHOCK IT WAS AS I WAS ABOUT TO TURN INTO HIM. I INSTEAD BROKE L TO AVOID WHAT LOOKED TO ME TO BE A DANGEROUS SIT. I THINK ATC WAS A BIT STARTLED TOO, BUT PROBABLY THOUGHT WE HAD PLANNED IT THAT WAY. HE SAID, 'I GUESS YOU ALL ARE GOING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN SEPARATION.' I DID NOT REPLY, BUT I DID PUT MORE SEPARATION BTWN ME AND THE C337. THE C337 PLT THOUGHT HE WAS DOING SOMETHING REALLY COOL, BUT MY FEELING IS THAT YOU DON'T GET THAT CLOSE TO SOMEONE WITHOUT TALKING IT OVER FIRST.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.