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Attributes | |
ACN | 634881 |
Time | |
Date | 200410 |
Day | Sat |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : 4n1.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Flight Phase | landing : roll |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : instructor |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 850 |
ASRS Report | 634881 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | instruction : trainee |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During a routine flight from teb to 4n1 to practice uncontrolled field entry, approach and landing, and traffic pattern operations, we were closely followed by a skylane. We entered the standard pattern for the active runway 6, and executed a normal landing. As we slowed down to a safe speed so as to vacate the runway, the skylane touched down behind us with approximately 1000 ft of separation. This was a very unsafe practice, and I believe that the actions of the pilot constituted a runway incursion. The pilot in question should have elected to go around, or should have modified his or her approach so as to not come close to overtaking us on final. Any loss of directional control on our part, prohibiting us from making a turn off the runway for example, would have put both aircraft dangerously close to each other. From experience at 4n1, I have observed many pilots touching down before the displaced threshold, and entering the traffic pattern in whatever manner facilitates them the most regardless of other aircraft established. Poor communication skills, loss of situational awareness, bad judgement and a lack of respect for the standard traffic pattern lead to such actions. I believe a level of pattern standardization and perhaps some enforcement would help.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 INSTRUCTOR PLT COMPLAINS OF POOR TFC SPACING TECHNIQUES AS DISPLAYED, CREATING POTENTIAL GND CONFLICTS AT THE NON TWRED ARPT AT 4N1.
Narrative: DURING A ROUTINE FLT FROM TEB TO 4N1 TO PRACTICE UNCTLED FIELD ENTRY, APCH AND LNDG, AND TFC PATTERN OPS, WE WERE CLOSELY FOLLOWED BY A SKYLANE. WE ENTERED THE STANDARD PATTERN FOR THE ACTIVE RWY 6, AND EXECUTED A NORMAL LNDG. AS WE SLOWED DOWN TO A SAFE SPD SO AS TO VACATE THE RWY, THE SKYLANE TOUCHED DOWN BEHIND US WITH APPROX 1000 FT OF SEPARATION. THIS WAS A VERY UNSAFE PRACTICE, AND I BELIEVE THAT THE ACTIONS OF THE PLT CONSTITUTED A RWY INCURSION. THE PLT IN QUESTION SHOULD HAVE ELECTED TO GO AROUND, OR SHOULD HAVE MODIFIED HIS OR HER APCH SO AS TO NOT COME CLOSE TO OVERTAKING US ON FINAL. ANY LOSS OF DIRECTIONAL CTL ON OUR PART, PROHIBITING US FROM MAKING A TURN OFF THE RWY FOR EXAMPLE, WOULD HAVE PUT BOTH ACFT DANGEROUSLY CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. FROM EXPERIENCE AT 4N1, I HAVE OBSERVED MANY PLTS TOUCHING DOWN BEFORE THE DISPLACED THRESHOLD, AND ENTERING THE TFC PATTERN IN WHATEVER MANNER FACILITATES THEM THE MOST REGARDLESS OF OTHER ACFT ESTABLISHED. POOR COM SKILLS, LOSS OF SITUATIONAL AWARENESS, BAD JUDGEMENT AND A LACK OF RESPECT FOR THE STANDARD TFC PATTERN LEAD TO SUCH ACTIONS. I BELIEVE A LEVEL OF PATTERN STANDARDIZATION AND PERHAPS SOME ENFORCEMENT WOULD HELP.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.