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Attributes | |
ACN | 639416 |
Time | |
Date | 200412 |
Day | Tue |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 1200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Weather Elements | Windshear Fog Ice |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-800 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 4 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing : roll landing : missed approach |
Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 639416 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | inflight encounter : weather inflight encounter : turbulence non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera other controllerb other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : executed missed approach |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance Weather |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
After holding for almost 1 hour on the arrival, we were vectored at 180 KIAS on very long vectors in light to moderate turbulence in the clouds for the runway 4 ILS. WX was 300 ft overcast and 3/4 mi visibility and surface winds approximately 060 degrees/12 KTS. Winds aloft from 6000 ft down to approximately 1000 ft were from approximately 250 degrees/47 KTS. The approach controller gave us a very short turn-on and we were immediately above the GS with a 50 KT GS increase and (constant moderate turbulence), and 'cleared for the approach.' we attempted to make it work, but the approach became unstabilized. Commenced go around at approximately 1200 ft. We were then given a close pattern, but better turn-on back around and completed the approach properly. The next issue that needs addressing is the lga tower controllers' habit of constantly calling aircraft as they roll-out on landing. This is getting worse all the time. On this low WX night, he called us, 3 times, giving us constant exit to taxiway instructions as we rolled out this dark foggy night with standing water on the surface of these short runways. We did not answer until at a safe speed and exited taxiway U. During his constant 'litany' of attempted instructions, he told us expedite aircraft inside 1 mi final, which is an ATC spacing function in IMC WX. Let's stop 'beating around the bush' about lga operations, this place is hanging by a thread with respect to safety, and it is a reckless operation even by 'combat operations standards.' this airport is well past any rational measure of a safe operation and needs to be fixed before something happens.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737 PLTS RECEIVED A SHORT TURN ONTO FINAL INTO LGA THAT RESULTED IN A MISSED APCH AND LATER DURING TOUCHDOWN AND ROLLOUT WERE GIVEN A SERIES OF INSTRUCTIONS WHEN THEY WERE TOO BUSY TO ANSWER.
Narrative: AFTER HOLDING FOR ALMOST 1 HR ON THE ARR, WE WERE VECTORED AT 180 KIAS ON VERY LONG VECTORS IN LIGHT TO MODERATE TURB IN THE CLOUDS FOR THE RWY 4 ILS. WX WAS 300 FT OVCST AND 3/4 MI VISIBILITY AND SURFACE WINDS APPROX 060 DEGS/12 KTS. WINDS ALOFT FROM 6000 FT DOWN TO APPROX 1000 FT WERE FROM APPROX 250 DEGS/47 KTS. THE APCH CTLR GAVE US A VERY SHORT TURN-ON AND WE WERE IMMEDIATELY ABOVE THE GS WITH A 50 KT GS INCREASE AND (CONSTANT MODERATE TURB), AND 'CLRED FOR THE APCH.' WE ATTEMPTED TO MAKE IT WORK, BUT THE APCH BECAME UNSTABILIZED. COMMENCED GAR AT APPROX 1200 FT. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A CLOSE PATTERN, BUT BETTER TURN-ON BACK AROUND AND COMPLETED THE APCH PROPERLY. THE NEXT ISSUE THAT NEEDS ADDRESSING IS THE LGA TWR CTLRS' HABIT OF CONSTANTLY CALLING ACFT AS THEY ROLL-OUT ON LNDG. THIS IS GETTING WORSE ALL THE TIME. ON THIS LOW WX NIGHT, HE CALLED US, 3 TIMES, GIVING US CONSTANT EXIT TO TXWY INSTRUCTIONS AS WE ROLLED OUT THIS DARK FOGGY NIGHT WITH STANDING WATER ON THE SURFACE OF THESE SHORT RWYS. WE DID NOT ANSWER UNTIL AT A SAFE SPD AND EXITED TXWY U. DURING HIS CONSTANT 'LITANY' OF ATTEMPTED INSTRUCTIONS, HE TOLD US EXPEDITE ACFT INSIDE 1 MI FINAL, WHICH IS AN ATC SPACING FUNCTION IN IMC WX. LET'S STOP 'BEATING AROUND THE BUSH' ABOUT LGA OPS, THIS PLACE IS HANGING BY A THREAD WITH RESPECT TO SAFETY, AND IT IS A RECKLESS OP EVEN BY 'COMBAT OPS STANDARDS.' THIS ARPT IS WELL PAST ANY RATIONAL MEASURE OF A SAFE OP AND NEEDS TO BE FIXED BEFORE SOMETHING HAPPENS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.