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Attributes | |
ACN | 645655 |
Time | |
Date | 200501 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : crq.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | IAI1124/1124A/Westwind |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 100 flight time total : 5300 flight time type : 3200 |
ASRS Report | 645655 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 50 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Navigational Facility |
Primary Problem | Navigational Facility |
Narrative:
We were on an IFR flight plan; vectors for a visual approach runway 24 crq. We were still with socal approach on a heading of 060 degrees; extended downwind for landing sequence at 3000 ft. Our TCASII showed traffic at our 1:30 O'clock position and about 2 mi; 200 ft below us. Also; another target at our 12 O'clock position approximately 4 mi and 300 ft below us. Approach control told us to turn right to a heading of approximately 150 degrees for right base. We advised him of the traffic on our TCASII and that he wanted to remain on our eastbound heading and climb to 3500 ft to avoid traffic conflict. He said ok; then we received an RA to 'climb.' at the same time; the controller asked us why we couldn't comply with his request. We told him about the target he was going to turn us into. He said he didn't see any target near us on his radar. At the same time we started our climb; my copilot spotted the traffic visually; just where the TCASII said it was. After we started our climb; the other aircraft also started a climb. I climbed to 3700 ft and the traffic crossed under us at about 300 ft below us. I do not understand why his radar didn't show him the same 2 targets our TCASII showed us. We saw the 1 target visually; my copilot did; I was focused on climbing our aircraft rapidly and looking at the TCASII to make sure we would clear and stay above that and the other aircraft. The TCASII unit in our aircraft is a $180000 unit; one of the best available for cpr aircraft.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: WW24 FLT CREW AT 3000 FT WITH SCT; EXPERIENCED TCASII RA DURING VISUAL APCH VECTORS TO CRQ.
Narrative: WE WERE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN; VECTORS FOR A VISUAL APCH RWY 24 CRQ. WE WERE STILL WITH SOCAL APCH ON A HDG OF 060 DEGS; EXTENDED DOWNWIND FOR LNDG SEQUENCE AT 3000 FT. OUR TCASII SHOWED TFC AT OUR 1:30 O'CLOCK POS AND ABOUT 2 MI; 200 FT BELOW US. ALSO; ANOTHER TARGET AT OUR 12 O'CLOCK POS APPROX 4 MI AND 300 FT BELOW US. APCH CTL TOLD US TO TURN R TO A HDG OF APPROX 150 DEGS FOR R BASE. WE ADVISED HIM OF THE TFC ON OUR TCASII AND THAT HE WANTED TO REMAIN ON OUR EBOUND HDG AND CLB TO 3500 FT TO AVOID TFC CONFLICT. HE SAID OK; THEN WE RECEIVED AN RA TO 'CLB.' AT THE SAME TIME; THE CTLR ASKED US WHY WE COULDN'T COMPLY WITH HIS REQUEST. WE TOLD HIM ABOUT THE TARGET HE WAS GOING TO TURN US INTO. HE SAID HE DIDN'T SEE ANY TARGET NEAR US ON HIS RADAR. AT THE SAME TIME WE STARTED OUR CLB; MY COPLT SPOTTED THE TFC VISUALLY; JUST WHERE THE TCASII SAID IT WAS. AFTER WE STARTED OUR CLB; THE OTHER ACFT ALSO STARTED A CLB. I CLBED TO 3700 FT AND THE TFC CROSSED UNDER US AT ABOUT 300 FT BELOW US. I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY HIS RADAR DIDN'T SHOW HIM THE SAME 2 TARGETS OUR TCASII SHOWED US. WE SAW THE 1 TARGET VISUALLY; MY COPLT DID; I WAS FOCUSED ON CLBING OUR ACFT RAPIDLY AND LOOKING AT THE TCASII TO MAKE SURE WE WOULD CLR AND STAY ABOVE THAT AND THE OTHER ACFT. THE TCASII UNIT IN OUR ACFT IS A $180000 UNIT; ONE OF THE BEST AVAILABLE FOR CPR ACFT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.