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Attributes | |
ACN | 649283 |
Time | |
Date | 200502 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
State Reference | PA |
Altitude | msl single value : 18000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Beech 1900 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | pilot : instrument |
Experience | controller non radar : 3 controller radar : 20 flight time total : 2000 |
ASRS Report | 649283 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 8400 vertical : 900 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
I reversed the visual separation rule for climbing and descending with 1 aircraft at 17000 ft and 1 aircraft at FL180. Climbed instead of descended. This is an antiquated rule. There is no difference between climbing from 17000 ft to above an aircraft at FL180; and descending from FL180 to below an aircraft at 17000 ft. It is just as safe either way since at least 1 pilot has the other aircraft in sight. If it isn't safe climbing; it isn't safe descending either. Rule makes no sense and we don't use if often enough to remember which way is good and which way is not good. Fix the rule -- safety will not be compromised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZOB CTLR'S MISAPPLICATION OF VISUAL SEPARATION RESULTED IN OPERROR DURING CLBING AND DSNDING INCIDENT AT FL180.
Narrative: I REVERSED THE VISUAL SEPARATION RULE FOR CLBING AND DSNDING WITH 1 ACFT AT 17000 FT AND 1 ACFT AT FL180. CLBED INSTEAD OF DSNDED. THIS IS AN ANTIQUATED RULE. THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE BTWN CLBING FROM 17000 FT TO ABOVE AN ACFT AT FL180; AND DSNDING FROM FL180 TO BELOW AN ACFT AT 17000 FT. IT IS JUST AS SAFE EITHER WAY SINCE AT LEAST 1 PLT HAS THE OTHER ACFT IN SIGHT. IF IT ISN'T SAFE CLBING; IT ISN'T SAFE DSNDING EITHER. RULE MAKES NO SENSE AND WE DON'T USE IF OFTEN ENOUGH TO REMEMBER WHICH WAY IS GOOD AND WHICH WAY IS NOT GOOD. FIX THE RULE -- SAFETY WILL NOT BE COMPROMISED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.